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  • #599622
    Health
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    What does it mean when s/o says with regards to Shidduchim -she’s a great girl? Yichus, money, anything else? Your opinions?

    #813078
    am yisrael chai
    Participant

    Why not ask them directly?

    #813079
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    looks

    #813080
    Chup
    Member

    It means they don’t see anything particularly wrong with her, but they don’t know her well enough to give a definite description… make sense..?

    #813081
    Peacemaker
    Member

    It means she has good middos and chein.

    #813082
    Health
    Participant

    AYC – I’m asking what does it mean to the posters, when they hear this term.

    #813083
    Health
    Participant

    PBA – So IYHO is that the only thing that makes a girl great?

    #813084
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Depends who says it. For example, when my mother says it, it means she is soft spoken and sweet. When a certain friend of mine says it, it means she has a unique background. When a certain other friend of mine says it, it means she comes from a troubled home. So, it depends on who says it.

    #813085
    mommamia22
    Participant

    It may mean different things to different people. If I were to use that term, it would usually mean she’s pretty outstanding in one or more areas (she’s got a lot going for her…midos, frumkeit, etc.).

    #813086
    Chup
    Member

    Put it this way everyone has thier personal interpretation for that, why not ask the person who said it if they could be a little more specific, as it is a vauge way of describing someone. If they are not able to tell you what they mean by great girl in a more descriptive manner it just means that they don;t know the girl well enough to describe her… make sense…

    #813087
    sam4321
    Participant

    It is a generic term and is way over used.

    #813088
    Health
    Participant

    Peacemaker -“It means she has good middos and chein.”

    Ok, now define these terms you just used.

    #813089
    real-brisker
    Member

    Isn’t it said about every girl?

    #813090
    kapusta
    Participant

    I would define great girl to mean that she has good middos, good hashkafos, acts like a mentch, pleasant to be around/talk to etc.

    As other posters mentioned, a lot depends on who its coming from. To some people, a great girl may be referring to her fathers bank account.

    *kapusta*

    #813092
    mobico
    Participant

    Absolutely nothing. It’s like hearing about a Bachur that he’s from among the top Bachurim in his Yeshivah. Fluff. One who really cares about finding out useful information in Shiduchim has to dig and ask very specific questions. This can be done nicely, but it requires persistence.

    #813093
    popa_bar_abba
    Participant

    PBA – So IYHO is that the only thing that makes a girl great?

    Who said my O is H?

    Besides, the question here is what makes a girl “great”; not what makes a girl “acceptable”. Of course to be acceptable, she must be a good person, who is working on herself and developing.

    #813094
    miritchka
    Member

    why dont u just skip the whole question “tell me about the girl” cuz the answer will be “she’s a great girl!” Just ask “i heard so and so is a great girl, can you tell me about her?”

    #813095
    Health
    Participant

    PBA -“Of course to be acceptable, she must be a good person, who is working on herself and developing.”

    Ok, so your opinion is – to be acceptable you have to be a good person working on themselves and to be great you have to have good looks. Makes sense to me.

    #813096
    Health
    Participant

    kapusta -“I would define great girl to mean that she has good middos, good hashkafos, acts like a mentch, pleasant to be around/talk to etc.”

    I personally think the term “great girl” is fluff and now you are defining it with more fluff!

    #813097
    Queen Bee
    Member

    I think when others say “great girl” they refer to someone who is really social, popular, has many friends, comes from a good family (not really sure what that means). But what I think it SHOULD mean is someone who has great middos, is sweet, nice, kind-hearted, caring, someone you can talk to, has a cute personality, and is just a fun person to be around. I’ve heard people talk about some girls and call them “great” when in reality, those girls are rude and anything but great. To each his/her own, I guess. What’s great for one person is not so great for another.

    #813098
    mytake
    Member

    Depends who is talking. Ask them what they mean.

    #813099
    adorable
    Participant

    solid, stable, and usually on a sem high!

    #813100
    bpt
    Participant

    Same as is meant when someone says about the bocher, “he’s a great guy”

    Tells you all you need to know.. if your idea of great is the same as my idea of great

    #813101

    i’m disappointed. by the title of the thread, i thought it was a thread about me 🙁

    #813102
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    It means all around. starting with Middos and ending with middos.

    #813103
    kapusta
    Participant

    I personally think the term “great girl” is fluff and now you are defining it with more fluff!

    To someone looking into someone, its fluff, but how many ways are there to describe good middos?

    *kapusta*

    #813104
    bein_hasdorim
    Participant

    yummy cupcake; you’re absolutely right! it should read

    “Great Girls.”

    #813105
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    From everything I’ve read, I can genuinely say that all the girls here in the CR are great girls.

    #813106
    Depot
    Member

    MP: And are all the boys here great guys?

    #813107
    Queen Bee
    Member

    Aw, shucks, MP. Thanks! Same to you.

    #813108
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Depot, if you take me out of the picture, yes, I would say so.

    QB, thanks, but I think I have ways to go before getting CLOSE to being called great.

    #813109
    MindOverChatter
    Participant

    MP: You, for one, is a great guy in here;)

    I think Hashem created women in such a way that they have a need to be approved by others. Men, however, are more outspoken. I sure hope that the girls AND guys in here are wonderful people IRL.

    #813110
    Queen Bee
    Member

    MP, from the short amount of time I’ve “known” you, I can honestly say that you ARE great. Don’t think so low of yourself–you’re one of the bravest, kindest guys on here. You’ve gained the respect of many members of the CR.

    I don’t think I’m anywhere near great, but thanks for the compliment!

    #813111
    Health
    Participant

    kapusta -“To someone looking into someone, its fluff, but how many ways are there to describe good middos?”

    Like I said – saying s/o has Good Middos to me is fluff. If another person says this person goes to the nursing home everyday and feeds the people whom can’t feed themselves, this IMO is a description of Good Middos!

    #813112
    kapusta
    Participant

    Like I said – saying s/o has Good Middos to me is fluff. If another person says this person goes to the nursing home everyday and feeds the people whom can’t feed themselves, this IMO is a description of Good Middos!

    I can definitely understand that. But there are some people that are just best described as being a mentch. Its hard to formulate an opinion and get an idea of what they’re like based on that but sometimes its the best way to describe them.

    Everything is relative. Saying she dresses nicely, her clothing is Tznius etc is all dependent on the level of the person giving the info.

    If it gets to the stage of a date, then usually you can tell pretty quickly what her middos are like.

    *kapusta*

    #813113
    adorable
    Participant

    MP- dont have a low self esteem please. the only way to continue doing amazing things is to sometimes look back at the work you have done in the past and everything you accomplished and continue that great work. if you think you are not great and dont have anything special about you and nothing that you personally worked on and overcame then whats going to push you forward to continue. you knwo yourself (better than i do) how you were able to overcome your difficult family history and challenges that came your way and you plowed through them and came out a stable, happy, healthy, warm person. you will be the most amazing husband around. Just keep up the good work.

    #813114
    chanie
    Member

    While there are definitely great girls out there, and I’m talking generically, as the word “great” is relative, why is there so many problems when these great girls marry? It is an overused word that has lost it chasivus. It reminds me of a story that I heard years ago, whether it is true or not is irrelevant. A young child goes with his father to the Bais HaChaim and on every Matzaiva it tells how great the niftar/nifteres was, with every accolade possible. The young child turns to his father and innocently asks him, “Where are all the Reshaim buried”?

    #813115
    Health
    Participant

    kapusta -“But there are some people that are just best described as being a mentch.”

    While people do use this term, I don’t see this as any different than “great girl”. IMO they can say this about anyone. If they say a reason why s/o is a mentch or great, this is more believable. I gave one example above.

    #813116
    mytake
    Member

    “While there are definitely great girls out there, and I’m talking generically, as the word “great” is relative, why is there so many problems when these great girls marry?”

    If “great” would mean greatness in Middos Tovos and NOT looks, money, successful career, yichus, etc. than that wouldn’t be the case. And just because her friends or neighbors say she has great middos, doesn’t mean much. The ones who really, really know are her immediate family.

    #813117
    Health
    Participant

    chanie T. – They say – the order of the Parshios are Acharay Mos, Kedoshim, Emor. Translated – After death e/o says they were holy!

    #813118
    MiddlePath
    Participant

    Thanks, MOC, QB, and adorable. It’s not that I have low self esteem, it’s that I always try to get better. I do see how far I’ve come. But what’s pushing me is realizing how far I can still go.

    #813119

    aaaaawwwww mp, thanks!!!!!!!!!!! but don’t underestimate your value. based on your thread from a couple of weeks back, you are an amazing person, and you are so strong and thought out. may Hashem bless you with shefa bracha v’hatzlacha, happiness, health, your bashert at the right time (hopefully soon),and this year should be a year of growth for you, and closeness to Hashem, and may Hashem enable you to become the best person you can be!

    ksiva v’chasima tova!!!!!!

    #813120
    ilovetheholyland
    Participant

    when i give shidduch info about my friends, i try to give an example, or a story that happened with that specific girl to bring my point out and show that they are REALLY great girls, not just a name on a piece of paper.

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