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July 11, 2011 4:25 am at 4:25 am #597883DroidMember
What restrictions are there on folding a Talis on Shabbos? As I understand it, you can fold it, but you can’t fold it on the pressed lines.
And as far as hanging up clothing for the night on Shabbos, my understanding is that you can’t hang your pants on the hanger on the pressed lines.
July 11, 2011 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm #784670yitayningwutParticipantThe halacha can be found in ???? ??.
According to some, folding on the creases is a problem. This seems to be the halacha in the Shulchan Aruch. The Aruch Hashulchan however says ?????? ???? and he explains that our folding is not the kind of folding that is assur.
R’ Ovadia in Yechaveh Da’as 2:40 says that one should be machmir l’chatchila not to fold on the creases. He adds that one should not protest those who fold normally because they have what to rely on.
Personally, I know a few rabbanim who are meikil l’chatchila.
July 11, 2011 3:29 pm at 3:29 pm #784671Derech HaMelechMemberI thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos. Also there is an inyan to fold it on motzei Shabbos.
July 11, 2011 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm #784672DroidMemberIt equally applies to folding a Talis or hanging clothing on a hanger?
July 11, 2011 4:03 pm at 4:03 pm #784673yitayningwutParticipantBoth are muttar l’chatchila according to many, as I said. Ask your rav.
There is one reason why folding clothing on a hanger is better, and that is that you will use it again on Shabbos, see the Shulchan Aruch. But once you get involved in those considerations it’s going to get complicated, and you need to see the teshuvos.
July 11, 2011 4:20 pm at 4:20 pm #784674bombmaniacParticipantwhat inyan, aside from the fact that people hold you cant fold it on shabbos, is there to fold your tallis on motzaei shabbos!?
July 11, 2011 4:21 pm at 4:21 pm #784675A Heimishe MomParticipantAs far as I know, folding on the creases should not be done on Shabbos – whether its a tallis, a tablecloth, or clothing. Hanging up pants will be a problem, but hanging up a skirt or jacket that doesn’t get folded in the process is fine. (If you are in the habit of leaving your clothes on the back of a chair, Shabbos afternoon is not the time to start hanging things up.:) )
July 11, 2011 4:35 pm at 4:35 pm #784676EnglishmanMemberI thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos. Also there is an inyan to fold it on motzei Shabbos.
So you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?
And what of the S”A cited by yitayningwut?
July 11, 2011 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm #784677gavra_at_workParticipantI thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos.
Interesting. I was told that you can fold it, but only if the next time that you will use it is a shabbos, not a Yom Tov (Or Vice versa, including another day of YT).
July 11, 2011 5:07 pm at 5:07 pm #784678Derech HaMelechMemberwhat inyan, aside from the fact that people hold you cant fold it on shabbos, is there to fold your tallis on motzaei shabbos!?
I don’t remember anymore. I recall it had to do something with being oisek in a mitzvah somehow. Maybe since its a hachanah l’Shabbos? I have to try to remember where I saw it.
So you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?
Yes I do.
July 11, 2011 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm #784679mamashtakahMemberSo you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?
Yes. I would say that in the shule where I grew up, 95% of the men left their tallitot bunched up on their seats, and folded them after Shabbat. I do this as well. I heard that folding it right after Shabbat is a segula for shalom bayit over the new week.
July 11, 2011 6:41 pm at 6:41 pm #784680the.nurseMemberbomb,
my husband was told its a segulah for shalom bayis if you don’t leave your tallis unfolded overnight after shabbos; hence, folding it motzei shabbos.
not sure where the source is from, though.
July 11, 2011 7:26 pm at 7:26 pm #784681DroidMemberMaybe the source is “to keep the wife happy”?
July 11, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #784682real-briskerMemberYou can fold it on the crease if it was never washed.
July 11, 2011 8:58 pm at 8:58 pm #784683adorableParticipantthe OP sounds like he knows the halacha. are you asking or just making sure that everyone else knows that Halacha too? Either way I heard the same as you so…. thank you
July 11, 2011 9:25 pm at 9:25 pm #784684cherrybimParticipant“Personally, I know a few rabbanim who are meikil l’chatchila.”
That is, if you don’t count Rav Scheinberg shlita who holds that it’s a bizayon hatalis if you don’t fold it and put it away.
July 11, 2011 9:44 pm at 9:44 pm #784685DroidMembercherrybim: Doesn’t everyone hold you can fold it? I thought the issue was folding it on the pressed lines.
July 11, 2011 10:25 pm at 10:25 pm #784686cherrybimParticipantMany don’t fold it at all…they sort of roll the talis and fold it after shabbos. According to the poskim who allow folding, it’s even on the crease because they hold that we are not experts today in knowing the art of folding that it should be so perfect.
July 11, 2011 11:55 pm at 11:55 pm #784687DroidMemberAccording to the poskim who allow folding, it’s even on the crease because they hold that we are not experts today in knowing the art of folding that it should be so perfect.
Many poskim hold you can fold it, but not on the crease (pressed line).
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