Folding a Talis and Clothing on Shabbos

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  • #597883
    Droid
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    What restrictions are there on folding a Talis on Shabbos? As I understand it, you can fold it, but you can’t fold it on the pressed lines.

    And as far as hanging up clothing for the night on Shabbos, my understanding is that you can’t hang your pants on the hanger on the pressed lines.

    #784670
    yitayningwut
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    The halacha can be found in ???? ??.

    According to some, folding on the creases is a problem. This seems to be the halacha in the Shulchan Aruch. The Aruch Hashulchan however says ?????? ???? and he explains that our folding is not the kind of folding that is assur.

    R’ Ovadia in Yechaveh Da’as 2:40 says that one should be machmir l’chatchila not to fold on the creases. He adds that one should not protest those who fold normally because they have what to rely on.

    Personally, I know a few rabbanim who are meikil l’chatchila.

    #784671

    I thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos. Also there is an inyan to fold it on motzei Shabbos.

    #784672
    Droid
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    It equally applies to folding a Talis or hanging clothing on a hanger?

    #784673
    yitayningwut
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    Both are muttar l’chatchila according to many, as I said. Ask your rav.

    There is one reason why folding clothing on a hanger is better, and that is that you will use it again on Shabbos, see the Shulchan Aruch. But once you get involved in those considerations it’s going to get complicated, and you need to see the teshuvos.

    #784674
    bombmaniac
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    what inyan, aside from the fact that people hold you cant fold it on shabbos, is there to fold your tallis on motzaei shabbos!?

    #784675
    A Heimishe Mom
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    As far as I know, folding on the creases should not be done on Shabbos – whether its a tallis, a tablecloth, or clothing. Hanging up pants will be a problem, but hanging up a skirt or jacket that doesn’t get folded in the process is fine. (If you are in the habit of leaving your clothes on the back of a chair, Shabbos afternoon is not the time to start hanging things up.:) )

    #784676
    Englishman
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    I thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos. Also there is an inyan to fold it on motzei Shabbos.

    So you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?

    And what of the S”A cited by yitayningwut?

    #784677
    gavra_at_work
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    I thought the problem with folding a tallis is that you are preparing it for the next Shabbos.

    Interesting. I was told that you can fold it, but only if the next time that you will use it is a shabbos, not a Yom Tov (Or Vice versa, including another day of YT).

    #784678

    what inyan, aside from the fact that people hold you cant fold it on shabbos, is there to fold your tallis on motzaei shabbos!?

    I don’t remember anymore. I recall it had to do something with being oisek in a mitzvah somehow. Maybe since its a hachanah l’Shabbos? I have to try to remember where I saw it.

    So you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?

    Yes I do.

    #784679
    mamashtakah
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    So you leave your tallis unfolded from after Shachris until Motzei Shabbos?

    Yes. I would say that in the shule where I grew up, 95% of the men left their tallitot bunched up on their seats, and folded them after Shabbat. I do this as well. I heard that folding it right after Shabbat is a segula for shalom bayit over the new week.

    #784680
    the.nurse
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    bomb,

    my husband was told its a segulah for shalom bayis if you don’t leave your tallis unfolded overnight after shabbos; hence, folding it motzei shabbos.

    not sure where the source is from, though.

    #784681
    Droid
    Member

    Maybe the source is “to keep the wife happy”?

    #784682
    real-brisker
    Member

    You can fold it on the crease if it was never washed.

    #784683
    adorable
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    the OP sounds like he knows the halacha. are you asking or just making sure that everyone else knows that Halacha too? Either way I heard the same as you so…. thank you

    #784684
    cherrybim
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    “Personally, I know a few rabbanim who are meikil l’chatchila.”

    That is, if you don’t count Rav Scheinberg shlita who holds that it’s a bizayon hatalis if you don’t fold it and put it away.

    #784685
    Droid
    Member

    cherrybim: Doesn’t everyone hold you can fold it? I thought the issue was folding it on the pressed lines.

    #784686
    cherrybim
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    Many don’t fold it at all…they sort of roll the talis and fold it after shabbos. According to the poskim who allow folding, it’s even on the crease because they hold that we are not experts today in knowing the art of folding that it should be so perfect.

    #784687
    Droid
    Member

    According to the poskim who allow folding, it’s even on the crease because they hold that we are not experts today in knowing the art of folding that it should be so perfect.

    Many poskim hold you can fold it, but not on the crease (pressed line).

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