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June 19, 2011 2:59 am at 2:59 am #597473real-briskerMember
I am wondering why its permited (maybe its not) to repeat words, and add in all kinds of filler sounds and noises to make a tune/nigun fit into davening. Why is it not a hefsek, especially to repeat words over again seveal times in the middle of a phrase. (espacially if there is shem hashem in it)
June 19, 2011 3:00 am at 3:00 am #778040popa_bar_abbaParticipantI would think repeating words is not proper. Also, I hate singing during davening.
June 19, 2011 3:02 am at 3:02 am #778041real-briskerMemberPopa – What about all the filler noises like – oy oy yoy…?
June 19, 2011 3:16 am at 3:16 am #778042avi eParticipantI happen to love tunes in davening. Rav Moshe has a teshuva on this in which he says it isn’t proper to repeat words in davening, but that “Chazzanim will be chazzanim,” i.e. that if a chazzan repeats words, it’s not the end of the world. Incidentally, there is one instance in which you are supposed to remove the chazzan if he repeats a word, and that is if he repeats the word “Modim” in “Modim Anachnu Lach,” because to say “Modim Modim” would be to imply that we were agknowledging multiple gods chas veshalom.
June 19, 2011 5:55 am at 5:55 am #778043real-briskerMemberavi e – Do you know where R’ Moshe z”l tshuva is?
June 19, 2011 12:28 pm at 12:28 pm #778044minyan galMemberI also love tunes when davening. I often find it very interesting when I realize how many different tunes there are for the same passages. It depends where you come from and/or who trained you, etc. I think that singing various passages somehow elevates the message and carries to Hashem in a more respectful manner. If there were no need for singing when davening, there would be no need for Chazzanim. (IMHO)
June 19, 2011 2:56 pm at 2:56 pm #778045blueprintsParticipantpopa_bar_abba
Sometimes a Bit Over the Top. (And occasionally WAY over.)
I would think repeating words is not proper. Also, I hate singing during davening.
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I happen to love tunes in davening. Rav Moshe has a teshuva on this in which he says it isn’t proper to repeat words in davening, but that “Chazzanim will be chazzanim,” i.e. that if a chazzan repeats words, it’s not the end of the world. Incidentally, there is one instance in which you are supposed to remove the chazzan if he repeats a word, and that is if he repeats the word “Modim” in “Modim Anachnu Lach,” because to say “Modim Modim” would be to imply that we were agknowledging multiple gods chas veshalom.
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June 19, 2011 3:54 pm at 3:54 pm #778046avi eParticipantI don’t have Igrot Moshe handy at the moment, but from this website: http://www.chaburas.org/repeat.html it seems like it is OC 2:22
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