Yeshiva Rabbeinu Chaim Berlin

chaim berlin is more like a movement, their called chaim berliners. The limudei kodesh is good but the secular studies department is not great.

Torah vodaas has a very strong limudei kodesh department, and also offers a good secular education but it’s not a movement, its a yeshiva. The rabbeim are very close with the talmidim in Torah Vdass

Chaim berlin is nussach HaGra (ashkenaz)And they respect their Rosh yeshiva like a Chassidishe Rebbe No questions asked. I think this is what you meant.

When RAv a av Shraga Feivel founded the yeshiva he didn’t want it to be leaned towards either way.

Actually he wasn’t a founder of the yeshiva. He was living in Scranton when the yeshiva was founded and joined the yeshiva 3 years later.

Everything that was said has some resembolance of truth but it skewed to the posters own view (and possible hatred of CB)

You need to clarify why you need to know, if you are looking at elemetary,high school or bais medresh the answer is a little different.

The elemetary school has a big range of parents, from working parents, to working yeshivish, to kollel and rabbeim. I don’t know what the parent body at T”V is, but I doubt it is any much diferent. I have some T”V bus stops in my area and the way some motheres dress is not to my standards, but I’m sure there are mothers in C”B (where my kids go) that dress the same. Most of the early years rabbeim are chassidish, but they do not teach chassidishe havara, it is yeshivish ahavrah with a choilam being pronounced as oy. The secular studies are short but they condence a lot of information and learning into the time and I don’t find them to be lacking more than in any other yeshiva that I have discussed curiculm about with friends.

I don’t know about th high school parent body (yet) but it is probably similar to the elemantry school as they have 3 classed going into 3 classes. At least, as a few years ago they still had a large porportion of studendt getting regents diplomas, although I have heard there are now some not even bothering to get any diploma. They push learning and learning as the only derech (probably not different than most other places). There was an article in one of the last issues of the Jewish Observer where Yonasan Rosenbloom discussed this and the basic conclusion was, this is what you can expect,just as a professor is going to push for his expertise, so to rebbeim push for learning. In high school is were there is more stress put on to what a lot of detractors hate about C”B and that is the notion that the Rosh Hayeshiva is in a position of malchus, (which I guess is similar to a chassidishe Rebbe). But they are pretty much upfront with the notion that his is our derech and it is not fo everyone, if you don’t like it you are welcome to go elsewhere and we can help you find elsewhere if you want.

I don’t know either the current status of what is going on in the bais medresh, but I am sure it is moving more to the right as everywhere else. I stil see plenty of guys coming out with college degrees looking for work, but it is probably due to strong parent intervention that push the kids to get the degree, definitely not coming from the yeshiva, but probably no different than anywhere else. The biggest difference between C”B and other yeshivas is the alumni association with the yeshiva. Due to the malchus approach, you have graduates who are very ied to yeshiva and you have graduates who have a few choice words ready for the fundraising calls. I have friends from both camps and both went from kindergarten thorugh bais medresh in C”B. This difference manifests itself in the alumni minyanim where i have the heard the T”V minyanim are seperate and apart from yeshiva while the C”B alumni minyanim are part of yeshiva and when they started the Rov’s were chosen by the Rosh Yeshiva.

Another difference i have heard from friends that habe looked at multiple yeshivas is that the administration of C”B is probably the most efficient and put together than other yeshivas. It has a somewhat corporate atmosphere and they are top of everything to the best of their ability from bussing, to luches to maintenance of the buildings. every area of concern has someone who is responsible for it, and things get taken care of.

Overall, I will say both yeshivas are good, both produce talmidei chachamim and both are within the confines of Torah. You probably wouldn’t go wrong with either choice.