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  • #597051
    WolfishMusings
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    Some people have a minhag that around Purim time they write “Haman” or “Amalek” on the bottom of their shoe. The reason for this is that they want to “wipe out” the name of Haman (or Amalek). It could be that they want to spiritually harm Amalek/Haman or else, at the very least, show disrespect and contempt by walking all over the name.

    I was walking around my neighborhood tonight and I noticed that, on the ground, a child had written her name, Aliza, in chalk. Before I realized it, I had walked over the name she had written.

    I don’t want to get into a discussion about whether or not she had a right to do so and whether or not I had a legal (halachic) right to traverse there even if her name was there. That’s not the point.

    The point is that I did walk over her name, contributing to the eventual erasure of her name. While I certainly didn’t *intend* to show disrespect to Aliza or cause her any spiritual harm, I wonder if, nonetheless, I did so anyway. Is it possible that I’ve harmed a little child? And, if so, do I owe her an apology (I can probably assume that she lives in the house by her name and can issue an apology to her parents)?

    The Wolf

    #771558
    canine
    Member

    Just give an apology to be on the safe side.

    #771559
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    You didn’t harm her. The practice of writing Haman’s name on our shoes shows our disdain for him and our wish that his name be erased. It’s not a magical charm or anything, so you don’t have to worry about causing her harm. If you’re worried about her feeling bad, I’d tell you not to because I’ve never yet seen a kid who minded what happened to the sidewalk chalk after she went inside.

    #771560
    ZeesKite
    Participant

    No. You assisted in the erasure of one of her bad midos – destroying others’ property.

    #771561
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Just give an apology to be on the safe side.

    And what if the harm was more than a simple apology could solve?

    The Wolf

    #771562
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    shows our disdain for him

    That was my point. Was it inadvertently showing my disdain for her?

    The Wolf

    #771563
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    No. You assisted in the erasure of one of her bad midos – destroying others’ property.

    I highly doubt that drawing with colored chalk on the sidewalk is harming it in any way or form — and certainly not destroying it.

    The Wolf

    #771564
    canine
    Member

    Then you’re up the creek. Maybe fast for 40 days, and have only a slice of bread with one cup of water at night.

    #771565
    hudi
    Participant

    Was her name written in Hebrew?

    #771566
    commonsense
    Participant

    it is understood that by writing a name on the floor it will be stepped upon and erased. i don’t think it has any connection to the minhag of writing and erasing haman’s name. like itchesrulik i don’t think you have anything to worry about. you did not have any intention of erasing a name, the child happened to have written it in a bad spot. children do this all the time and this is the first time i have heard anyone worrying about it.

    #771567
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    Accidentally stepping on a sidewalk chalk drawing is not a show of disdain. I think you should stop beating up on yourself.

    #771568
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Was her name written in Hebrew?

    No, but why should it matter? If someone does not know Hebrew, is there anything wrong with writing “Haman” or “Amalek” in English on the bottom of your shoe?

    The Wolf

    #771569
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Was it inadvertently showing my disdain for her?

    No

    #771570
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Then you’re up the creek. Maybe fast for 40 days, and have only a slice of bread with one cup of water at night.

    Thank you for the suggestion.

    The Wolf

    #771571
    observanteen
    Member

    Chumros, chumros! Stop with those chumros already! This is why kids go OTD!;-)

    #771572
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Chumros, chumros! Stop with those chumros already! This is why kids go OTD!;-)

    I wasn’t imposing any chumra on anyone. I wasn’t even suggesting that anyone else feel about this the way that I might have felt.

    The Wolf

    #771573
    oomis
    Participant

    You did not write her name on your SHOES, did you? Then how could you show deliberate disdain. Next thing, people will be afraid to erase their names on paper, even if misspelled.

    #771574
    observanteen
    Member

    Wolf: I’m afraid there are far more sophistecated ways to spiritually harm a child.

    #771575
    basket of radishes
    Participant

    The only way you are going to hurt this child is to show her how silly you are about not walking on a marking on the sidewalk. Personally I would be concerned about your affluence and your influence. To think that there is any spirituality associated with a written word on the ground that is to be silly beyond beleif. If it was Our Creators name I would hope that you were not so foolish to write that on a sidewalk and if the child did, perhaps you could give him or her a lecture on how we treat Gods name.

    #771576
    YW Moderator-42
    Moderator

    I’m surprised nobody took this approach yet: Having a girl’s name written in public is a huge lack of tznius. You therefore did a big mitzvah by contributing towards its erasure. May you go machayel lechayel in Torah umaasim tovim.

    #771577
    HaLeiVi
    Participant

    It’s Mashma that it only has meaning when you mean it. I’m not that well versed in Voo Doo, but you can travel to Haiti and check it out with the real guys.

    #771578
    sof davar
    Member

    Perhaps I am stating the obvious, but after reading your posts for some time, I believe that it I am safe in assuming that Wolf’s original post was written tongue (or typing fingers) in cheek as a social experiment to see how many people would take this seriously.

    Thank you for a good laugh.

    #771579
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    tongue (or typing fingers) in cheek as a social experiment to see how many people would take this seriously.

    No.

    Look, there are people here who make the point that there is spiritual significance to everything we do. “There is no reshus,” these people will say, “there is only required and forbidden.”

    If that’s the case, and there is spiritual significance to even our smallest actions, then perhaps there was significance to this action of mine. And if there was, perhaps there is some atonement that needs to be done for it.

    The Wolf

    #771580

    If you are seriously seeking advice on spiritual atonement, shouldn’t you be discussing this with your spiritual advisor?

    #771581
    TheGoq
    Participant

    Be careful Wolf, step on a crack break your mother’s back!

    #771582
    mewho
    Participant

    iamgine if we could cause harm by writing someones name and then stepping on it.

    think of how easily we could have been rid of the terrorists and other evils.

    somehow, i dont think it works that way.

    #771583
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    Be careful Wolf, step on a crack break your mother’s back!

    Sadly, I’ve done that. To date my mother has had over a dozen back surgeries. 🙁

    The Wolf

    #771584
    veteran
    Member

    During WWII, children played the game differently. It went “step on a crack and you break Hitler’s back”. So the object was to step on cracks with every step. Sadly, after the war many of the children got confused when the rules of the game went back to the original, sending a lot of mothers into traction.

    #771585
    BSD
    Member

    Wolf-on the off chance that you are not talking tongue in cheek, why not dispel your doubts and trace over the faded letters-you can make it darker then before thereby possibly helping the kid. Just make sure that Aliza’s parents don’t see, they may get a tad suspicious. 🙂

    #771586
    sof davar
    Member

    Although I am still not convinced that this whole thread was ever anything more than satire, I will nevertheless lament the fact that for a significant portion of our society, torah has become confused with witchcraft. We have a torah which tells us what we may and may not believe. To believe that walking on someone’s name would cause them harm would seemingly be a violation of the issur of lo senachashu – do not be superstitious.

    Tamim t’hye im Hashem elokecha

    #771587
    amichai
    Participant

    wolf, no apology needed. not at all like purim and amalek.

    #771588
    morah
    Participant

    you have got to be kidding.

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