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On Sunday,I pointed out that I had noticed a laxity in the hotel atmosphere I’d spent some time at,with the hope of gently stirring an awareness that might actually have a purpose.
It wasn’t edited or blocked;it simply disappeared.
I was not rude or condescending.
The laxity pained me,and I wanted to channel that towards change.
Why is the criteria here in the CR seemingly INCONSISTENT?
should not be talked about here unless you put up a mechitza. its not proper for men and women to talk to eachother. for sure bout tznius and mingling
inconsistant when the same posters always talking about mechitzas talk bring this topic
This is what ZeesKite wrote in the over-moderation thread:
ZeesKite
Because Mommy said so!!!!
To MOD-95
I want to be as polite as possible. There was one poster posting on Erev Shve’ee shel Pesach. She was just respectfully alerting the ‘Olam’ to the atmosphere of laxity in tznius in hotels. She was in one on the first days, and felt the lack of Kedusha overwhelming. I thought a site such as this would be THE place for such comments. (There was no single place named – no Lashon Harah problem at all).
No problem!
If you ever get a response, let us know…
mods?
E – So where were you the last days- home? You never went to a hotel before? I’d assume going to a hotel would be lax in certain areas -all types of people go. I never went to a hotel for Pesach – can’t afford it, but that’s my assumption.
” a laxity in the hotel atmosphere “
What!? I’m shocked. (not)
Sorry Eclipse; its the nature of the beast. Want heimish? Keep it close to the heart. Once you’re in the public pool, its lax.
bpt:
That is EXACTLY what she’s alerting us to. Regular ‘upgehitene’ Yidden who are careful with all mitzvohs when in their homes suddenly metamorphose in something entirely different when in a hotel. This was confirmed also by a close family member who was shocked by the sudden transformation.
That was the point she was trying to bring out – the Ribono Shel Olam is in the hotels too. You SHOULD be shocked. We’re not discussing different types of people, it’s one person who changes for the worse upon being in a hotel setting.
Hey maybe you can get that org. to subsidize me. I’ll be moichel on the Prizos. As for my kids, whatever it is, it’s a lot better than at my ex’s house.
I have yet to hear about a hotel that is not lax. I have some friends who go to hotels and never heard from them that Pesach was uplifting and inspiring….but I have heard that there was great food and entertainment. depends on your priorities and family situation
ZK –
We are shocked; just not surprised. To quote someone famous: Absolute power corrupts absolutley. And the folks that can fork over $$$ to go to a hotel, feel pretty powerful
Eclipse –
Your point is well noted (and your R and R was much deserved!)
Were the hotel you were staying at geared towards people who need the time away for reasons that cannot be spelled out here in the CR, I am fairly certain the tone would have been much more along the lines of what the majority of of CR folks could handle. But once you add the A++ crowd to the mix, they run the tone and show.
As for the mashgiach, his domain is the kitchen, the eruv, the shabbos locks, ect. The “tone” of the hotel is not one which he can have much control over.
But look at the bright side: the fact that you took notice of the laxity, shows that you’re still on the upswing!
Hey guys, I have been to hotels for Pesach and you get out of it what you want to. If you want to sit around the lobby and yenta that’s what you get. If you want to parade around like a fashion show, then that’s your game. If you want to go to the shiurim then you have an uplifting Pesach. If you want to gather in a private room with your family then you have a heimish Yom Tov. It all depends on who you are and if you are true to yourself.
It doesn’t matter if you go to a hotel for a Yom Tov, or you go to Miami or any other place for a vacation. It all depends on who you are and if you are the same no matter where you go. Did you know that for many New Yorker and Boro Parkers as well that Hashem does not live in Miami, or Mexico, or Hawaii, etc, etc, etc?
My take? I have less of a problem with people going off to Club Med for a week, than I do when the week is billed as a “glatt kosher / daily daf” event.
Wanna party? Be my guest. But don’t tell me this is yiddishkeit at its very best.
And lest you think its only the “pesach venues” I’m at odds with, the other major “orthodox jewery” hotel event (not naming names) could stand to take a good look in the yiddishkeit mirror. And they have some of today’s most “yeshivish” names on the dias.
And despite that, what goes on (in terms of brazen gashmius) at this event is far from what is being drummed into us from the speakers podium.
Been there, done that, not going back anytime soon. Too honest with myself to do otherwise.
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