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February 6, 2011 6:18 am at 6:18 am #594804Sender AvMember
About a year ago I lost my grandparent ,who was like an immediate part of our family and all of us being members of the shul, the rabbis(main and assistant) officiated the levaya and came to “conduct” shiva minians. One of the rabbis even stopped by the house the day my grandparent died to show his condolences. After shiva was up and those stitting shiva were finished, life moved on. People in the community of course would always check and ask us how were are doing/feeling/coping. What bothers me is neither of the rabbis asked me(I dont know if they ever asked any other family member) how I am doing after shiva was up. It really kind of hurts me because it makes me feel that it was just a job for them and they really dont care about a congregant(me)’s feelings. Am I too sensitive? It’s really started to bother me as I have realized I am holding this against them. Opinions?
February 6, 2011 6:27 am at 6:27 am #737632eclipseMemberCan you open a conv.with him saying,”It’s funny,but I still think about my grandfather so often….”? See if he intuits the depth of your loss from that.
February 6, 2011 6:46 am at 6:46 am #737633smile66MemberMaybe they don’t realize how close you were to your grandparent?
Maybe they had in mind to ask you about it but it slipped their minds because they were busy and would feel weird asking now, so far after the fact and having waited so long?
Maybe they feel that what they did really was enough, and have no idea that they left you feeling like you do?
I’m sure there are many different possible reasons, but that still doesn’t really help resolve it.
I actually also find myself right now feeling upset at someone for something they didn’t do, and wondering if I’m being too sensitive. I’m still trying to figure it out, but as hard as it is to accept, I’m starting to think that maybe I am. Although I am pretty certain of the other person’s reasons (forgetting – which can be one of the most hurtful reasons), I do have the obligation to judge others favorably, and who am I not to fulfill this Torah obligation? It’s really hard and I’m still trying to figure it out, but as of now I think that whatever the other person’s reasons, this is not one sided and I have my own responsibilities to pay attention to here. Maybe Hashem made them forget on purpose so that I can be tested in how good I am at really fully and truly judging favorably, forgiving, and forgetting? You never know.
February 6, 2011 7:01 am at 7:01 am #737634Yanky123MemberI’m sorry about your loss and I understand and feel your feelings. My initial thought without thinking is as follows. I feel that you have a legitimate point but the blame is on society as a whole.
Through recent technology we have developed into a fast paced, self centered people. Myself included. Family time is a thing of the past, as we are so busy with work, our blackburies (as I like to call it being that it buries its users alive), etc.
This mindset pervades, and creeps into every part of our community. The Rabonim did not choose this path but rather the mindset of the community influences everyone. The Rabonim therefore in your case may not have been as attentive as you may have wanted to your feelings in this case.
However, they are no more to blame then the countless times a day that we are for this issue. It just comes out differently by us as we are not Rabonim.
Maybe we don’t call our grandparents as much as we used to being that we are so busy texting etc. . . Maybe I wouldn’t be blogging at 2 AM when I should reaaly be going to sleep so that I can learn normally tomorrow etc. . . We are all guilty.
My advice to you is that you should forgive them and understand why you are forgiving them. Then, you can take this as a lesson for yourself. Look what happens when we allow ourselves to fall to the now norms of society. Let us take back control of our lives. Let us add meaning and warmth. Let us practice patience and compassion, as opposed to developing further into irate, impatient people, that honk our horns when it takes the car ahead of us 2 extra seconds to go by the green light.
(I Chas V’Shalom do not mean to put down, in the slightest of ways our Chashuva Rabonim that are Moser Nefesh every minute of their day to the ever growing needs of the Klal. I’m just bringing out a point about us laymen and how it possibly crept to them a drop).
This a lesson for us all that I hope we all learn from.
February 6, 2011 8:20 am at 8:20 am #737635aries2756ParticipantFirstly, I am sorry for your loss. Secondly, life goes on for everyone except for those who experience the loss. For us, we wonder how everyone else just continues on as if nothing happened? People forget very quickly that you have just suffered a loss because of all their own responsibilities and issues. My own good friends keep inviting me out for dinner and a movie and I have to keep reminding them I am in aveilus for my mother and can’t go. This is my own good friends how do you expect a Rabbi or gabbai to keep in mind what may or may not be going on in the heart or mind of a niftar’s grandchild.
On the other hand, if you need to speak to the Rav and tell him that you are still suffering and would love to talk to him about it or about any stories he can relate about your grandparents I am sure that he would gladly oblige and be there for you. A Rav’s day, week, months are filled with obligations happy and sad not only to his own kehilah but to the community in general. That is a huge burden on one’s shoulders. Please do not hold this against him, just ask for some of his time and I am sure he will make the time you need.
February 6, 2011 2:49 pm at 2:49 pm #737636Sender AvMemberAries, I am sorry for your loss as well. I dont really want to bring up the subject as I do not want to place any more burden on the rabbi’s busy agenda. Also being a year past, the pain of course has decreased, and I am not so hurt that they do not ask of my wellbeing at this point, just that they did not ask right after it happened(even if I passed by them). The rabbi also always speaks about how he cares for his congregants, so I don’t really understand why I don’t feel that way.
February 6, 2011 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #737637always hereParticipantcondolences, aries & Sender Av.
aries~ your comment was beautifully written; I concur.
February 6, 2011 4:27 pm at 4:27 pm #737638aries2756ParticipantSender, we see the Rav and we recognize him immediately, he is but one. He sees us and he sees many, many people he loves and admires but he doesn’t immediately place the name and the face, the face and the family, etc. Sometimes, unless we have a serious and personal ongoing relationship with our Rav, it is difficult for them to connect the dots on the spot and needs to be reminded who we are and what we are going through. A teacher who teaches 5 periods a day will recognize a student, one out of a possible 150, but might not know his name unless he is sitting in the classroom and the student is sitting in his seat. Out of place and context, it is difficult for a teacher to remember everyone unless he is reminded and might say “I believe you are a student of mine, remind me who you are and what class of mine you are in”.
February 6, 2011 4:55 pm at 4:55 pm #737639Sender AvMemberAries, my shul is not that large and the rabbi knows pretty much everyone.
February 6, 2011 4:58 pm at 4:58 pm #737640aries2756ParticipantWhy don’t you ask him then. It is much worse to harbor feelings of resentment and in addition if he understands how you feel he might be more careful in the future to be more sensitive to others. Is he a young Rabbi?
February 6, 2011 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #737641Sender AvMemberWhat do you mean by young? He is in his 50s. The other one is young. I dont want to ask him because 1) we dont really have a relationship and I am too shy(when it comes to things like this) and 2) I dont want to bother him when I know he has bigger things to deal with.
February 6, 2011 8:50 pm at 8:50 pm #737642Sender AvMemberbump…(I’m still waiting to hear the opinions of Wolf and Eclipse,and others)- I just like what they have to say(usually).
February 6, 2011 10:10 pm at 10:10 pm #737643Sender AvMemberI also forgot to mention that a couple of days before my grandparent died we called the rabbi to see what we need to do/come over to the house, and he asked “do I need to come over”, meaning is death eminent at the moment, and we said “we guess not”. He never came. Don’t get me wrong, he is a wonderful rabbi for the community and has done wonders to help it grow and bring people back to Yiddishkeit. I just kind of feel forgotten/not cared about.
February 6, 2011 10:50 pm at 10:50 pm #737644seeallsidesParticipantThe feelings you are having are so normal. Unfortunately, everything that happens is going to be hurtful, because you are really in such a vulnerable position. It could be that if he would stop in, you would feel, like doesn’t he think I had a hard enough time with shiva and people stopping in all the time, doesn’t he realize that our family needs a little privacy, a little space. Different people react very differently and it is impossible to have guidelines that work for everybody in such a tragic time. Regretfully, everybody walks this tightrope of wanting to help, and not knowing what to do. I am so sorry for your loss, it is a terrible heartbreak to lose someone you love, but unfortunately, there is not much that anybody could do. Share your feelings with your siblings, cousins. Recognize that your sensitivity comes from the sadness of the situation. You are very cared for, I am sure many friends are agonizing and wondering if they should bring up the subject, or if it will make you feel bad….it’s not that they don’t have feelings-they are just not sure about what to say – May Hashem help your whole family through this time, and may you only see Simchas!
February 6, 2011 10:53 pm at 10:53 pm #737645eclipseMemberHonestly,great friends and all,I know for a fact that all the relatives who truly loved me are not alive anymore.Both sets of grandparents,and my mother.
February 6, 2011 11:17 pm at 11:17 pm #737646bbubbeeParticipantBD”E May you only know Simchos from now on. When one suffers a loss, everyone reacts differenty, some people feel a need to remember the Niftar all of the time.They are always relaying stories of that persons life, challenges, successes etc.That keeps the person alive in a certain sense. “Tzadikkim, afilo B’misosom nikraim Chaim”. By constantly remembering the Niftar it reinforces their beautiful lives. That is the main reason for Shiva and being Menachem Avel.
After Shiva is up, people still have to deal with each day in their own way. Some deal by forgeting, and others by remembering.
If you have a relationship with the Rav, go speak to him, tell him that you are still hurting from your loss. Ask him to guide you into recovery and help you grow.
No one will replace that grandparent that you lost, but speak to your parents, siblings, aunts & Uncles to help you. May Hashem give you the Siyata Dishmaya to overcome the pain & relive the good times & joy of that granparents life.
Eclipse, I know of a Bubbee that would adopt you if you would like!
February 6, 2011 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm #737647eclipseMemberOh wait,I take that back!I AM loved,after all!How could I forget??Thanks,Bbubbee!
February 7, 2011 3:41 am at 3:41 am #737648aries2756ParticipantSender, I see two options here. 1) Either go over to the RAV, since you have as much right to his time and attention as any other congregant and let him know how you feel. or 2) Decide whether or not you wish to Dan him l’kaf zchus or if you have real and true reasons to feel hurt or slighted. If you do have real and true reasons to feel hurt or slighted revert back to option number one.
February 8, 2011 4:09 am at 4:09 am #737649Sender AvMemberAries,I am not myself a paying member( too young) but am of a family who has been members with the shul for over 40 years. I dont know if that makes any differece? I still think of myself as having been at the shul my whole life. I had my bris,upsherin,and bar mitzvah, all there. And my parents used to be very active when they were younger and had more time on their hands(they even got the man and woman of the year award once).
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