Where and How To Learn Safrus

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    torahbob
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    Hello All,

    I am interested in learning Safrus (not as a business but for personal knowledge etc.). I come from a long line of sofrim and what to continue the tradition.

    Anyone know of any resources, including seforim and also where or from whom I can learn. I am willing to travel anywhere in the brooklyn/long island/manhattan area.

    Thanks/

    #1198660
    m. keller
    Member

    hi, im practicing safrus. i reccomend what i did/am doing: learn “mishnas hasofer”, “mishnas sofrim”, “mishna berurah hilchos tefillin”,”likut sifray stam”, and, most important, find some local sofrim to demonstrate some things and answer any questions you have. last, a helpful site is “ctc torah.org”.

    if you ever want to be certified, the best place in USA or israel is the “vaad mishmeres stam”- 718 438 4980. before going to them, check with a sofer to make sure you’re ready.

    hatzlacha,

    Mishael Keller

    #1198662
    torahbob
    Member

    Thank you for your response. What about learning all the technical aspects, like writing the letter, cutting the kulmus, the klaf, ink etc? Do the seforim you list teach you the techniques also? Also, where do you get supplies?

    #1198663
    RSRH
    Member

    torahbob: I am a sofer (not certified – I mostly write and illustrate non-STaM stuff like kesubbos, smichah certificates, parshas haketores, and other artistic work). It is of course important to learn the basic seforim, but it is equally important to find a good experienced sofer that is willing to teach you the technical points. In many ways, safrus is much like the skilled artisan trades of yesteryear – to become really proficient, you need to apprentice. Good techniques and the basic mechanics of how to do this kind of work well is passed from mouth to mouth, form teacher to student.

    #1198664
    fabie
    Member

    To learn the technical, the simplest approach is learning from a sofer, some experienced ones do training, however, I don know of a few sofrim, who taught themself.

    BTW, I learned stam myself.

    #1198665
    torahbob
    Member

    Thanks, how did you teach yourself? What did you need/use?

    #1198666
    fabie
    Member

    I wasn’t clear in my previous post. I learned stam from a professional sofer. I know of those who’ve taught themseves though.

    You will need a kulmus, ink, parchment, a blade for trimming the kulmus.

    #1198667
    Chacham
    Participant

    I learned recently and I am about to finish a megillah on time or purim i’yh. The halachos I used Mishnas Hasofer and Otzar Sta”m [3 vol.]. I think that Otzar Stam is much more clear, while Mishnas Hasofer discusses everything.

    To learn the umnos I learned from a sofer in lakewood who writes and taught me one and one. It is best to learn one and one then with a group especially for shapiras ha’osios. If youb are willing to come into lakewood I am sure my melamed will be happy to teach you.

    #1198668
    MHY
    Participant

    I saw some literature from someone who teaches courses in Safrus and Shechita a while ago. The approach seemed logical and comprehensive. I called up for information and was impressed by what I heard, though I haven’t taken any courses so far.

    I found a website for him, it is http://sofrus.org/

    #1198669
    jewish source
    Participant

    you cannot learn by yourself you need a teacher and not everyone can teach

    #1198670
    torahbob
    Member

    To be clear, I am not interested in teaching myself. I am trying to find someone in the new york metro area that can teach me.

    #1198671
    YFRBachur
    Participant

    I’m in middle of learning safrus from a very good rebbe R’ Yisroel Landsman. He will come to you makom. But he just teaches the skills i.e. ksav, sirtut, making a kulmus. The halacha ayou have to learn on your own. He can be reached at 718-404-4249 or ask the mods for my email

    To get a ksav kabala you have to learn 1)Mishnas Sofrim (found in Mishna Berura Chelek Alef) 2) shulchan Aruch siman lamed bais and lamed vav w/ Biur Halacha 3)keses Hasofer- Found either in a sefer called Likut sifrei stam (aprox. $24 in ny) or with a perush Called Mishnas Hasofer Aprox $36 in ny

    #1198672
    davidhasofer
    Member

    you are welcome to google me. I teach Hilchot Stam over the internet free.

    edited. Sorry, we don’t allow posting contact information.

    #1198673
    ItcheSrulik
    Member

    I’m currently learning safrus. Where can I buy supplies in Brooklyn? I especially want to buy those precut plastic tips for practicing.

    #1198674
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    does anybody know were i can find online videos for a leftyto learn safrus?

    #1198675
    ilovetohock
    Participant

    I dont think a lefty can write safrus.

    #1198676
    WolfishMusings
    Participant

    I dont think a lefty can write safrus.

    I don’t believe that to be the case (although, I admit, I could be wrong). Do you have a source for that?

    The Wolf

    #1198677
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Bibi Dons Yarmulka & Tzitzis To Write Letter In Sefer Torah

    The issue is with someone who is not a pure lefty. The kesiva of an ambidextrous sofer should be done with the right hand l’chatchilah.

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14170&st=&pgnum=82&hilite=

    #1198678
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    I obviously wasn’t wondering whether a lefty can write safrus or not based on my question. But could someone answer my question.

    #1198679
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Where and How To Learn Safrus

    Where and How To Learn Safrus

    Personally, I would not purchase stam written by someone who learned from YouTube.

    #1198680
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    You use a video to learn the technical writing details then you go learn the halachic aspects with a sofer. And don’t worry i only plan on selling to bnei-torah

    #1198681
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Good, now I’m not worried, because b’nei Torah wouldn’t buy from you, so you won’t be machshil anyone.

    #1198682
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    No NO NO you missed my point I was saying that i would sell to bnei-torah ONLY.

    #1198683
    RV
    Member

    DY: I’m surprised to see you arguing with Joseph (Lefty).

    #1198684
    ☕ DaasYochid ☕
    Participant

    Lefty, correct, so nobody will buy. Perfect.

    RV, should I be surprised that a poster whose account is an hour old is so familiar with the CR?

    #1198685
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    Just letting you know first of all a softer told me to do so second your only learning how to write the letters after you master that you go learn the halachic parts with a softer. Wanna be more machmir than the softer who told me be my guest.

    #1198686
    RV
    Member

    DY: Does reading and posting go hand in hand?

    #1198687
    Lefty SoferStam
    Participant

    So who cares if he argues with lefty. Are you surprised when he is arguing with the real joseph? (No)

    #1198688
    eliezeradam
    Member

    Hi

    I have actually been teaching sofrei stam for the past 25 years.

    Nowadays, there are videos and even online classes available.

    You can google “learn sofrut” and such, to see many resources.

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