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First of all, its good to finally join the coffee room after just “viewing from the sidelines” for a while. Anyway I thought this would good place to pose a question that has concerned me (Not too much) and am curious to hear peoples opinions on it. As a child I used to love the wizard of oz and still enjoy it from time to time and would like to share it with my kids. I recently started thinking “Should I be taking such enjoyment from a movie that was made in 1939, a time that was so horrible for our us in Europe?” or am I over-thinking it? I feel funny that the movie I enjoy was made while R’L millions of Jews were endangered and being killed. What do you guys think? And, this is not a question if one should watch movies in general(its a clean movie).
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I just can’t see it as a problem, try as I might. I enjoyed reading a Dr. Suess book made in those days, should I fast? This is really pushing it. You are supposed to feel along with your brothers, but this goes way beyond that.
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clean movie? its got witchcraft, a tornado which could be a metaphor for going off the derech, Mrs. Gulch has a big nose it could be anti-semitic, it has kol isha, it has the wizard which is a kind of avoda zora, the lollipop guild only had treif lollys,
it has gneva of the ruby slippers, it had a crystal ball which is a form of divining a no-no, it has drug use (the flowers that put dorothy in a trance), it has a lion with low self esteem (theres a red flag for ya!), clean?! i think not
As for me, it’s a great film, maybe scary for young kids, as for the time line if I was to stop using things during that time period I would have to stop using scotch tape, nylon and the photocopier….
clean movie? its got witchcraft and let the bashing begin, welcome to the coffee room
People, – his question was about the question of the era, not the movie per se.
mynamesixonethree…
Maybe you should rephrase the question…
Would it be ok to enjoy reading a (clean) novel written in 1939?
tongue is placed firmly in cheek mike
TheGoq: You seem awfully familiar with a movie that you think you should not watch. And by the way, does anyone know why this movie is so popular among people who participate in toeva marriage? I do not know.
i thought i was being funny mike,nfgo sorry i missed the mark
nfgo3, see above post, like mine tounge in cheek 🙂
“Should I be taking such enjoyment from a movie that was made in 1939, a time that was so horrible for our us in Europe?”
It is a reminder of how Americans were so clueless and disinterested in what was going on across the Atlantic.
You should also see “Gone With the Wind” by the same director, produced in the same year, to see the the sanitized portrayal of chattel slavery.
But also see the 1940 film “The Great Dictator”, a bitter satire of Hitler and the Nazis directed by (and starring) Charlie Chaplin. It was the first anti-Nazi movie made in America (1940) and Chaplin’s first talking picture. Chaplin (who was not Jewish) hated Hitler and the Nazis but he later said that he could not have made a satirical movie had he know how bad things really were. “The Great Dictator” was very popular in the US and the UK and helped increase popular support for the anti-Nazi cause.
I think not using stuff made in Germany during the war is a good moral issue. But not to use ANYTHING made during the war years? I dont think so. Anyways it would be esp hard for me. It would mean i cant enjoy my mother…??? ;-(
TheGoq has a very good sense of humor.
Goq, good one! But in all seriousness, that movie scared the living daylights out of me when I was a kid. Make sure your kids can handle it before they see it. I had nightmares about those flying monkeys for a very long time…
ty frumladygit and myname 🙂
I think its fine to watch the movie. As to why it is so popular with those involved in Toevah marriage, IMHO, I think it has something to with how colorful and “cheery” it is.
As to why it is so popular with those involved in Toevah marriage, IMHO, I think it has something to with how colorful and “cheery” it is.
Actually it has to do with the fact that Judy Garland has become a gay icon (even though she, herself was never gay nor strongly expressed any sentiment with the gay rights movement.
When asked about how she felt about being a gay icon, she responded, “I couldn’t care less. I sing to people.” — Wikipedia.
The Wolf
“I think not using stuff made in Germany during the war is a good moral issue.”
Actually I think every Jew should see Leni Riefenstahl’s “Triumph of the Will”, a 1935 Nazi propaganda film. It is one of the most masterful works of propaganda in history and had a lot to do with why the Nazis had little opposition in Germany.
And then follow it up with Frank Capra’s “Why We Fight”, a series of American propaganda films that were used to increase American support for the war. Clips from Riefenstahl’s film were used — and countered.
(And if you really want to see horrible but effective propaganda, see D. W. Griffith’s 1915 “The Birth of a Nation”. It turns the Ku Klux Klan into heroes.)
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