Thank You Hashem for Global Warming

Thank You Mr. Hirsch. B”H for global warming.

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no one doubts global warming

quite far from the truth. especially among those that hold that the earth is 5,000,000,000 years old, a few hundred years of temperature recording, maybe 50 of widespread and accurate recording, and some gigantic extrapolation from earth cores leaves plenty of room for reasonable doubt.

and THEN among those that accept it there is controversy as to the cause.

but you wont see this in the established media.

Zach is correct, there was actually a New York Times article a few days ago that explained the science behind the fact that some climate zones will become more wet because of global warming. And wet combined with thirty degree weather means snow!

Mod-80 and Dave,

There is NO question that the earth has warmed over the past 130 years. That is the period over which we have decent temperature series worldwide. Being a sceptic about that is like being a sceptic about whether a pig is kosher — the data are that clear.

While the increase does correlated with increased fossil fuel consumption and increased intensive agriculture, that is not an absolute proof as correlation does not automatically prove causality. Furthermore, the association between other potential factors are not strong enough to explain the associations between the human activity and the warming. Therefore most scientists agree that human activity probably is responsible for at least some of the warming. However, it is possible that some other factor may eventually be discovered.

Also not completely well understood is why the greatest temperature increases have been in the Arctic. Increases in temperate zones have been relatively small by comparison. Fortunately the melting ice in the Arctic is sea ice, which does not increase the sea level.

One of my former professors, Dr. Richard Lindzen, is well known as one of the “sceptics” but he is simply unconvinced about the causes of the warming, not that the warming exists. Another one of the sceptics, Prof. Bjorn Lomborg, still thinks it is a serious enough problem that we need to take action. In short, the question is NOT whether global warming has happened: There is NO doubt about that. The question is what to do about it.

“we will be facing Katrinas all over the world”

While there is wide consensus that warming is occurring as you correctly detailed above, no one storm or event can be attributed to this warming.

“The question is what to do about it.”

Some of the proposed solutions which crush personal autonomy and / or threaten Global Economic Depression scare me more than warming itself. We already know what a 10 year long Depression leads to. Dictators and would be dictators love such crises as Global Warming as excuses to more tightly control our lives.

However, there are many common sense actions that can be taken which do not threaten personal autonomy or economic downturn. They will also make the USA less dependent upon the oil that some of the above mentioned dictators control. Yesterday we traded in the gas guzzler.

Josh31 is correct on both points. You can’t definitively attribute any one storm or event to global warming. It is the long term trend that is clear.

And indeed too-draconian restrictions on energy use could potentially have a severe effect on economic productivity. That would be insane. But reasonable restrictions and/or higher taxes on fossil fuel use will improve the environment, create jobs in countries that have few energy resources (and the US now falls into that category as essentially all of our easy-to-reach oil reserves have been drilled out), and reduce the power of the oil-wealthy anti-Semites in Latin America and the Arab world. There is really no downside here and I don’t understand why more Jews don’t realize this.

Regarding Dave Hirsch’s call for more facts and figures, with a quick internet search will find many time series that clearly show the warming — and none that don’t. Anything prior to about 1880 is based on limited data and/or imputation from descriptions of climates. After about 1980 we also have satellite temperature data. Further evidence is the melt of sea ice, retreat of glaciers, and the advancing of deserts, all of which have been well documented.

“Drill, Baby Drill” got us the Deepwater Horizon disaster.

But the fact that you repeat that mantra shows that you don’t understand energy economics. The US does not have ANY easily extracted petroleum reserves left. None. Saudi Arabia has huge amounts. It could, if it wished, dump so much oil on the world market at such low prices that ever well in America would be unable to recover its production costs. Higher costs are GOOD for American oil production because it makes more wells competitive.

Coal is a terribly dirty and dangerous fuel in every respect. People die from its extraction and burning. And it is unsuitable for motor vehicle fuel unless you want to bring back steam railway locomotives, which would require huge government subsidies. And most of the easily accessible coal in the Eastern US was mined out decades ago.

Natural gas is a fuel that is in plentiful supply in the US, but much of the gas requires advanced “fracking” techniques that are very problematic environmentally and very expensive. If such production ever comes to the Catskills, New York City will have to spend ten to twenty billion dollars on a new water treatment plant, as will all the upstate communities that rely on either Catskill groundwater or NYC surface water. NYC residents will see increased taxes and some of those small commuities might go bankrupt. The alternative is to make the gas producers pay for these externalities, but there probably isn’t the political will to do this, and in any case it would make the cost of the gas noncompetitive. It should be pointed out that the current ban on drilling for oil and gas in the Eastern Gulf of Mexico is in part based on the fact that the people in Florida think that their beaches are of greater economic value than the oil.

Nuclear power has not been cost effective in the US for decades. And it only works as an electricity generator. Electric cars have not taken the country by storm, to say the least.

Biofuels are generally not cost effective without subsidies.

Hydroelectric power has reached its maximum potential in the US.

Use of wind and solar power is increasing but they will never make up more than a small fraction of the energy supply in the US.

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The truth is that it will take a combination of most if not all of these to meet America’s future energy demands. “Drill, baby, drill” is a mantra not an energy plan. And higher energy prices are good because it will encourage more of these energy alternatives and potentially reduce the flow of dollars to the anti-Semites.

besides the fact that the interplay of all the contributing factors to sea level is complex and they have no idea other than pure guesswork as to prominent cause 11 thousand years ago, even the very fact of determining the world wide sea level 11 thousand years ago is not an established fact, in fact it cant be, any physical measurement 11, 000 years ago can only be based on theoretical assumptions and tremendously lengthy extrapolations

of course if one is bamboozled by the authority of scientism even on the deep theory end of the scientific continuum, you can come to believe anything

even that the gases and metals and rocks and water on the earth (which itself, along with the rest of the universe came into being by the explosion of something smaller than a poppy seed)

these atoms and molecules picked themselves up by their bootstraps and became you.

Um hate to break it to you but global warming acutaly predicts that there will be *MORE* snow globally. By warming up the tropical areas there will be more water vapor in the air, which has to fall out somewhere, and if it is cold there, well you get snow

i live in miami beach and its in the “tropical area” and its actually getting colder here

Now I’m not siding with the proponents of Global Warming (a.k.a. Al Gore), but to be honest, their claims are that the weather has increased a few degrees in recent times. This explains how we can still have cold winters.

Although 2-3 degrees farenheit doesn’t mean much to us here, it actually has enormous weight near the Poles, where melting glacial masses as a consequence of Global Warming may mean increasing high tides and flooding for coastal cities worldwide in the not-so distant future.

Just saying, not siding with those people.

There’s an excellent rebuttal to the NYT BS on American Thinker.

Popa has a problem with climate change theory, which I have never even seen anyone attempt to address.

The world has been warming and cooling as long as it existed. Even in very recent history (the past 500 years), we can point to climate change and have historical evidence. In 1700 CE, there was a “Little Ice Age” in Europe.

http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/paleo/ctl/cliihis.html

So, why is anyone surprised that the temperature is rising a couple degrees?

And why would you assume it is due to something we are doing?

If something has been happening for thousands of years and continues to happen, it is probably happening for the same reason as always.

Does anyone know anything to address this?