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do you think it is the right thing to let your kids eat ou-d when their little and then make them stop when they turn bar or bas mitzvah?
Whats the issue being discussed – kashrus?
Restaurants? Shabos meals?
sorry im unclear
Are you asking about Ou-D that is dairy or just dairy equipment?
In any event, why not let the kids decide when they turn bar/as mitzva if they want to take on an additional chumra?
If you are asking about yourself, then I would suggest that until the kids realize what is chalav yisroel and what is not, you can make exceptions when you are outside the home, but definitely don’t bring it inside the home. NEVER, ever say it is not KOSHER because that is not true, and if they see someone else eat it, they will think they are eating treif and will have the wrong impression about them.
As far as others are concerned, it is not fair to discuss or judge what others do, it is only fair to ask a question pertaining to your own situation. So if that is a choice someone made for their own family there is a reason why they made it and it is not up to us to question their rationality. Sometimes there is an item that the child does better with that is not available in chalav yisroel format. Sometimes it is very difficult to get a child to eat and if they eat something they like a parent is thrilled, so if they can get them to eat a yougurt with the chocolate crunch on top and that is OU-D and not chalav yisroel, that is really not an issue for others to yenta about.
Almost everyone in my neighborhood eats OU-D.
Is this a matter of hardship, whining, or what?
Seems to me that if not the first, you’re setting yourself up for some difficulties later; kids might get resentful and not appreciative of whatever beautiful mehalech you’ve chosen for yourself or are carrying on.
I grew up keeping Cholov Yisroel, my wife did not.
Before we got married my wife chose to accept it upon herself. We decided that we would not force our kids keep Cholov Yisroel and let them decide for themselves when they get older.
This is just our personal opinion but we both agreed that we didn’t want out kids to see friends and family eating something which they are told is forbidden to eat.
We do bring Cholov Stam into the house and our older kids are starting to learn which treats they can and can not share with us.
like many do, i would keep it just for the Yomim N’
a number of years ago i took it on just for the ten days
and kept it up. i feel cleaner (maybe just my imagination)
“do you think it is the right thing to let your kids eat ou-d when their little and then make them stop when they turn bar or bas mitzvah?”
It may not be the smartest thing to do, but I don’t think its a matter of right or wrong.
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Mod-80 – “like many do, i would keep it just for the Yomim N’
a number of years ago i took it on just for the ten days
and kept it up. i feel cleaner (maybe just my imagination)”
Maybe it was just lack of fat/chemicals 🙂
IMHO if the entire family is C”Y then no, it should not be eaten (exception being if outside and there is no choice). It is hypocritical to preach one thing and then not do it, and is not good for chinuch bonim. Just my thoughts. And I am not C”Y. Would you give them unkosher food just because they are children? To someone who is strictly C”Y, C”ST food is almost like tarfus. At least, that is the impression I have gotten in the CR during the discussions.
We took on CY when we moved to an area where it is easier to get. I won’t buy CS cheese, but we still eat M&Ms.
oomis1105 – “To someone who is strictly C”Y, C”ST food is almost like tarfus.”
Not necessarily. Many people only hold CY as a chumra, and are not always so makpid on it. For instance, some eat powdered milk, some eat CS when it’s difficult to get CY, and most eat things made with kailim used for CS.
Shouldn’t an important factor be whether the school they go to permits only CY? My child attends a school where only CY dairy is allowed, but it is not enforced and some students bring CS. Since the kids often share snacks, it’s not fair for parents to ignore this rule; then the CY kids get tempted to breach the standards of their home and policy of their school.
“Not necessarily. Many people only hold CY as a chumra, and are not always so makpid on it. For instance, some eat powdered milk, some eat CS when it’s difficult to get CY, and most eat things made with kailim used for CS. “
From what I have read from posts in the CR on this subject, those who are makpid on C”Y posted their mekoros, and it sounded very much that they were equating C”St with something that is not considered kosher. So if I held strictly by this (and they did not refer to it as a chumrah, but as halacha), I would not allow my kids to eat anything at all that was not C”Y, except in an emergency. (I love M&Ms , but there has never been an M&M emergency as far as I know).
I’m not saying they are correct, or that there are no exceptions, because as I said, I don’t specifically drink C”Y, so it is not shayach to me (except during aseres yemai teshuvah when I DO drink only C”Y) For chinuch alone, I would not vaccilate.
what i dont understand is, if a parent holds kitniyos cant be eaten on pesach, would he let his child under bar mitzvah eat it? same point regarding a flimsy hechsher.
isnt the whole point to teach and train them before their bar mitzvah, what they should be doing after?
Sometimes it is an issue that parents keep C”Y but grandparents don’t. So when kids are little and grandparents offer a chocolate or want to give a cookie that is ou-d, or even a bottle, etc. Parents don’t necessarily want to make a fuss if the child is very young. That is why I say one should not judge or discuss what OTHERS should or shouldn’t be doing. One should only discuss what they choose to do for themselves or ask questions pertaining to what they want to know for themselves.
Obviously similac is not C”Y but a baby needs it, so parents will use it for the infant. When children are very young and do not understand the concept, parents may choose to make exceptions for whatever reasons they choose, as I have mentioned and there is no reason for others to speculate or judge. However, if one is asking for themselves if THEY should make exceptions that is something that a couple have to talk about and maybe discuss with their own RAV.
Let’s break the issue down. Those who follow the (primarily Chassidishe) Poskim that CS is assur should not feed it to there children except as a medical necessity in consultation with their Rav. Those who take it as a chumra must weigh the pros against the cons of their specific circumstances.
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