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May 19, 2009 2:50 pm at 2:50 pm #589800moti107Member
I would like to open up for discussion the topic of “today’s Jewish niguna” as some may say that today’s Jewish music is just so called Jewish but its only the words that is Jewish but the song is copied from the goyim. On the other hand we know that the kaliver rabbi adopted a song from a goiysha shepherd and turned it into a Jewish song, or that we sing marches that was originally from Napoleons army. or we have no problem listening to chazunim that wasn’t even shomer shabes. So where do we draw the line here?
May 20, 2009 4:33 am at 4:33 am #646024JewessMemberMoti, you’re gonna get those who say it’s okay because it’s sung by a Jew and it’s holy words, and then you’re gonna get those who say that it’s terrible.
I find it funny when I hear songs I know sung as Jewish songs. I would find it hard to take them seriously, though.
The latest one I heard is called “Rabbi Nachman” and it’s funny if you ever heard the original…
May 20, 2009 4:40 am at 4:40 am #646025postsemgirlMemberoh boy! I used to debate this with my classmates in high school. This type of conversation never ends.
May 20, 2009 1:38 pm at 1:38 pm #646026noitallmrParticipantYeah I also used to debate about it until I realised it’s a total waste of time- a person should have the sense and maturity to know what music he/she should be listening to and what not…simple as that…
May 20, 2009 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm #646027postsemgirlMembernitallmr- I think it’s like that with everything like tznius also. Everyone is on their own level and he/she should decide what is on his/her level and always try to grow higher.
May 20, 2009 4:17 pm at 4:17 pm #646028tzippiMemberBut postsemgirl, there’s the rub. There may be a point where someone who has striven to higher heights in tznius has “arrived”. But who is to say what the ultimate heimishkeit in Jewish music is?
May 20, 2009 5:31 pm at 5:31 pm #646029moti107MemberJewess! only because it comes from Goyim or a not frum jew doesnt make it a non jewish song as i pointed out couple of examples at my 1st Post.
May 20, 2009 5:37 pm at 5:37 pm #646030postsemgirlMembertzippi- In tzinus everyone has their sensitivites and no one is able to say what sensitivity you are suppose to have the same as no one can tell you what your sensitivity should be to music.
May 20, 2009 6:06 pm at 6:06 pm #646031tzippiMemberPostsemgirl, the question continues to be begged: who’s to say YOUR sensitivities are better than mine? What IS higher in tznius, and music? Taste is definitely a factor in music – “al taam v’rei’ach ain lhisvakaeach” – yet might there not be some objective standards, just as there are in tznius?
May 20, 2009 6:32 pm at 6:32 pm #646032JewessMemberMoti(!) I don’t get what your point is. You ask what people think. I think I pretty much summed it up and gave my opinion too. Do you want to argue? Cuz, I don’t. I don’t even listen to Jewish music, unless I’m at a wedding or something.
May 20, 2009 6:54 pm at 6:54 pm #646033moti107MemberMy point is: Do you find it funny to sing the famous song “golus golus” and then listen to the original from a goyisha Shepherd?
May 20, 2009 7:22 pm at 7:22 pm #646034JewessMemberI don’t know “golus golus”, but some shepherds have very soulful tunes, so I would imagine it to be a haunting melody.
I only find it funny when I hear a song I know and the Jewish singer put Jewish words to the tune. If I didn’t know the original song, I’d probably look at it differently.
May 22, 2009 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #646035goody613Memberpeople are going to make music that people want to hear. If they wouldn’t make music like this kids would be listening to crazy goyish music
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