The Jewish National Anthem

I believe the correct translation is thus:

G-d is our King,

We are his servants

The holy Torah is our Law

We are loyal to it.

We do not recognize the Heretic Zionist Regime

Its laws do not apply to us

We walk in the ways of the Torah

In fire and water

We walk in the ways of the Torah

To Sanctify the Name of Heaven

Of course authored by the great Hagoen Rav Amram Blau 60 years ago.

“And we do not believe in the government of the heretics.

And we do not care about its laws.”

Ever heard of “dina d’malchusa dina?”

I like Hatikvah better. It’s more Jewish.

BS”D

Not to be confused with the following which is the anthem of the Ku Klux Karta, a band of clowns who desecrate the above, which is a heiliger niggun written by the tzaddik Reb Amram Bloy ZY”A, by singing it at rallies with sonei Yisroel:

Ahmadinejad hee malkynee

Veloi hinynee ovodim

Hakoiran hakoodoish hee chayaynee

Veloi aynaynee maaymeenim

Mekesef shel koifrim anee chayyim, anee chayyim

Umin hacheckim anee oichlim, anee oichlim

Bederech harishis nylych, baesh ubamayim

Bederech harishis nylich, lekabel tashlumim kiflayim!

Ahmadinejad is our king

And we are his servants

The “holy” Koran is our life

We don’t believe in it

From money of unbelievers we live

And from their checks we eat

In the ways of evil we walk

In fire and in water

In the ways of evil we walk

To get double welfare!

Very funny, Itzik.

Was the anthem originally composed in Loshon Kodesh or Yiddish, by Harav Blau ZTV’L?

Nedarim 28a

(Just because you may not like it, doesn’t make the Ran inaccurate.)

…so it’s not Az Yashir?

BS”D

It was originally composed in Loshon Kodesh – Hashem Hu Malkeynu is the original. Reb Amram ZY”A spoke loshon hakodesh as opposed to “Ivrit”. If you look on the Wikipedia entry for him there is a copy of a food coupon he issued (I guess in place of currency); it is written in laha”k.

BS”D

I refer to it as yenne medine – a state it indeed is (one of Obama’s 60 perhaps considering that it receives so much US aid that it no longer needs at this point), but one that I can’t call by its name as it is a desecration of that name which is a Torah name that also contains one of the names of Hashem.

BS”D

Indeed, though, this is not the anthem of the Jewish people – it is the anthem of bnei Torah in Eretz Yisroel and a protest song.

The anthem of the Jewish people indeed could be any one of a number of psukim from Tehillim that can be put to music; the motto of the Jewish people is Shma…echod.

For the anthem of the frum community in NY, I humbly propose Lipa’s GELT song :-)! Then again, except that it is in Yiddish and acheinu bnei Yisroel who are not of European origin could not relate to it, Sheloi Asoni Goy from A Poshuter Yid could be the anthem of the Jewish nation….at least on Purim!

They should sing this heilige niggun in the Yeshivos.

torahis1, is that what they taught you in your temple? Perhaps you can ask your Rabbi if she can learn it with you again.

Nowhere have I discussed psak. I teitched a Ran. And the Ran is clear that it holds Yidden are neither chiyuv in taxes nor in Dina Dmalchusa Dina in Eretz Yisroel.

Incidentally, the way I teitched it is how Rabbi Herschel Schachter teitched it. You can say omg again.

less, the response was appropriate for the vitriol expressed by the clown.

Incidentally, the Ran we are discussing is famous for holding that Dina Dmalchusa Dina is inapplicable in Eretz Yisroel. This teitch is not in dispute by anyone.

In fact, taxation is the primary component of Dina Dmalchusa. And the fact that a Jew is not obligated to pay taxes in Eretz Yisroel, clearly demonstrates Dina Dmalchusa is not binding in Eretz Yisroel.

This is aside from a whole host of other reasons that Jews are not bound to the laws of the illegitimate zionist regime in the holy land. (Without getting into the contentious specifics, i.e. the 3 shvuos, etc.)

Itzik, Would you characterize Chabad’s position on yenne medina more or less in line with Brisk/Satmar/etc.’s position regarding it?

Joseph,

If what you say is true, then which hospital do you use, who picks up your garbage, what bus do you ride? If it’s assur to “give” to the state, shouldn’t it be assur to take as well? What is the basis for chareidim participating in the political process?

BS”D

I’m no expert on Brisk, and although I very much admire Satmar and Reb Yoilish ZY”A I am not sure that what I know about Reb Yoilish’s position is accurate or just the “pop” version (I would like to learn or at least “go over” Vayoiel Moishe but have never found the time to do so, nor do I have the sefer with me). So I am not really qualified to answer your question. I do know that the Rebbe’s opposition was never formally tied to the 3 oaths and is a continuation of the Rebbe Rasha”b’s viewpoint which is said to have influenced Reb Amram ZY”A and the real Neturei Karta.

The one difference is that Chabad Chassidim in E”Y try to engage the medine when necessary, such as with educational funding for “kiruv” schools, and pay taxes and are part of the bituah leumi system. That is mostly because the medine does exist and there are six million (?) Jews living there who need to be , and even the worst klipa (the internet, for instance, as well as the medine!) can be converted or at least used for kedusha. I would say in terms of interaction with the medine, we are closest to Ger except that Ger is part of Aguda.

In any case, I raise no eyebrows when I sing Hashem Hu Malkeinu on Shabbos with friends, and many of Reb Amram’s relatives are part of the core of Chabad in Yerushalayim – at least one Yerushalmi Lubavitcher, now a shaliach on the West Coast, is named Amram for his relative (great-uncle?).

Itzik:

Its amazing that all the Gedolim opposed zionism (despite hte predictable religious zionists howls that are sure to follow.) This is despite their subtle differences in how to deal with the state once it became fait accompli. i.e. Brisk, Satmar, and the real Neteurei Karta opposed any interaction or cooperation while the Agudah, Chabad, Ger while similarly opposed to zionism felt it prudent to cooperate where necessary or beneficial.

Do you know if Reb Amram and all the old Yishuv spoke Loshon Kodesh, or whether they oppsed using Loshon Kodesh as an “everyday language” for Divrei Chol, like other Rebbonim?

Well, as I am one of the resident “reshoim” on this website (after all, I do believ in the ultimate good of the “medinah”) and the field has been left open to the ones who woould gladly shake hands with Ahmenidajab and the Hamas leadership, let me just inject some sense in your deranged comments.

To itzik- IF you are a chabadnik-and I have my doubts about this- you totally misrepresent Lubavitch and their position. You certainly misrepresent the rebbe’s position. He was absolutely, totally in support of Israel ( the name you hate so much).His shlichim are everywhere and have actually fought in wars as soldiers. He was implacably opposed to any “giving back’ territory and considered all of Eretz Yisroel OUR land, UNDER the present government.

You are either an impostor or an ignoramus (maybe both) but Lubavitch you surely don’t represent, weherever you are now in “Eastern Europe”.Every one of your rantings has absolutely NO backing or source, as you always add : I am not sure if this can be confirmed. it cannot be confirmed because it is a lie.

To all the other (predictable) medinah- haters: You can write your drivel here as much as you want, we Yidden, who live in our own homeland under our own government, are going “mechoyil el choyil” and, in spite of the many difficulties, are continuing to build a real Yiddishe medinah that will last at “bias goel zedek’ and then we will all dance with Elijahu Hanovih .led by Shlomele z’l and all the other zaddikim as we build a new Bais Hamikdosh! Bimheru bejoenu!

BS”D

Rabbiofberlin, thanks for the laugh. The only credit I can give you is that you may have been exposed to the unfortunate “Chabad-lite” nonsense that some New Agers are pitching in the Rebbe ZY”A’s name these days. The shluchim from abroad, including many acquaintances of mine, were sent because the Rebbe ZYA wanted to bring Jews closer to Yiddishkeit. Chabad soldiers serve just as Gerrer soldiers do – to defend Jews, not the medine.

And don’t forget for one moment that the Rebbe ZYA sent Carlebach packing because of his krum methods of kiruv and low standards – those who add Carlebach to their new-age Chabad-lite (and Breslov-lite) potpourri conveniently forget that fact.

Re what language Reb Amram spoke on a day to day business, I will ask one of his relatives if he knows as I am not sure. He may have used loshon hakodesh at times because there were actually Sefardi hahamim with whom he had contact and who were part of the old yishuv that opposed the medine.

Finally, no one, not the small remaining group of real followers of Reb Amram ZYA, or whichever of the Reb Arelach splinters is the most “kanoi”, or even Mishkenos HoRoim supports the five and a half choilim who went to Teheran.

BS”D

Not just his music but his conduct….

Itzik,

Perhaps you can explain why after the last Rebbe zt’l, another one was not appointed – as had been done after all the frierdik Rebbe’s.

Itzik_s:

Here we go – “The State of Israel, The State of Israel, The State of Israel, THE STATE OF ISRAEL, THE STATE OF ISRAEL [Medinat Yisrael]!”

I’m no Zionist, and at the same time want to slit the NK[VD]’s throat, but I recognize it as the State of Israel.

Would you rather it be called “The State of Affairs?”

Rabbiofberlin- I am proud to stand beside you as a rasha who supports Israel.

I have no doubt that HKB”H does as well. One only has to take note of the fact that the State of Israel survives each and every day AL PI NESS!!!

If not for His intervention, there is no way Israel would be able to protect itself from the 100 million Arabs that surround it.

If the six day war cannot be seen as a ness and a ringing endorsement of the State by HKB”H, then people are either blind or naive (I’d prefer to say stupid, but I’ll just get a lot of flak for name-calling in Chodesh Elul C”V).