A court has struck down a ruling that French railways must compensate the family of a Jewish man transported to an internment camp in Nazi-occupied France, dealing a blow to hundreds more claims.Judges in an administrative appeals court in south-western Bordeaux said administrative courts were not competent to rule on the legal liability of state rail operator SNCF.
The ruling means plaintiffs will have to bring their cases before civil or criminal courts, where lawyers say they have far less chance of success.
“It’s a way for the administrative justice system to kick the issue into touch,” Gerard Boulanger, a lawyer representing some of those bringing cases against SNCF, told reporters.
SNCF did not immediately comment on the ruling.
Tuesday’s decision overturned a landmark verdict last June in which a court ordered SNCF and the French government to pay $113,000 to the family of Georges Lipietz, a Polish-born Jew arrested by French police and taken by train to a transit camp near Paris in 1944.
Lipietz died after launching the action in 2001, but family members including his son Alain, a member of the European parliament, have continued the case.
Some 76,000 Jews were arrested in France during World War Two and transported in appalling conditions in railway boxcars to concentration camps such as Auschwitz, where most died.
The SNCF, which has received 1,800 requests for compensation since the ruling, said it had been forced to obey the orders of the government of the time and the German occupiers.
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A chidush, the French Courts YM”SH imposed the Nuremberg Laws under Nazi occupation.
How long is this shakedown of the rich Holocaust lawyers going to go on? How long is it going to take war survivors descendants to get their money from Bank Leumi? Imagine if it were a European bank! The Holocaust Industry would be raising hell all the way from gehennom! This shakedown industry has to stop. Of course the alternative is that Palestinians are going to sue all kinds of Zionist organizations and companies for their suffering. Why not? What’s good for the goose is good for the gander!
dovdov
what are you referring to??
Yosher, I am referring to the fact that the entire litigation industry, which makes huge amounts of money for parasite lawyers, and is a terrible chilul hashem, has got to come to an end. Furthermore, it is perfectly appropriate for the Palestinians to sue the living daylights out of the Zionist regime in Eretz Yisroel for every single event of their suffering over the past 60 years starting with the ethnic cleansing of 1947-1949. Do you still not get it?
‘Money for Parasite lawyers’
They are being hired by holocaust survivors. If they can win their case, more power to them!
‘Perfectly appropriate for the Palestinians to sue the living daylights out of the Zionist regime…….for their suffering……..’
Is your sympathy for our Arab enemies for real, or is this just some ‘attention seeking drivel’?
I appreciate your first point but every dollar we get will never compensate our loss but will help us rebuild. That decision I will leave to people with breiter plaitzes, our gedolei yisroel.
About the events of 1947-1949, it was not only on the arabs but also on other Jews and the Jews also got attacked and murdered by the Arabs. As a child of a Chassidic Polish immigrant to Palestine of the 1930s, I disagree with assertion.
The picture above makes me cry, look at the yidishe mothers holding their children, look at the fear in their faces.
Sheryl, you should definitely cry since a careful examination of that photo shows that it is a collage photo, for which the Soviets were famous, especially the heretical Jewish communists. You can see that the entire group of women (no men?) is bunched together in once central focus, with a single man in a striped uniform next to a train. None of the women are facing the train, and there is not a single trace of a gun held by a soldier of any kind. The train is patently a merchandise transport, not the so-called human transports, which were supposedly cattle trains (aren’t cows supposed to have enough openings to breathe?). Look at many of these photos very closely and you can see the way several photos were merged. Look for shadows, incorrect symmetry of persons, different shading, etc.
“it is perfectly appropriate for the Palestinians to sue the living daylights out of the Zionist regime in Eretz Yisroel for every single event of their suffering over the past 60 years starting with the ethnic cleansing of 1947-1949”
Colorful character here. I know Purim was just over, but try to sober up a bit.
I think that the editor should delete DovDov’s comments. They are hateful and stupid.
Any person who talks like that even in jest should be punished by having to visit Concentration Camp vitims and having to hear what they went through.
Will even a million dollars per guy compensate these people for lost lives,childhoods?What about losing family members?
I personally would rather be poor and in Europe the way we were and in America and be “rich” because we got this money.
Another point that Yeshivah News didn’t bring up is the firing of Israel Singer who was a champion of these issues and the role he had in getting these monies. Would have he helped the issue?(see swiss bank case and other such cases that he was involved in)
May we have a Shnas Geulah -where we have Kibbutz Golios and be rich by being part of the experiencing the Ultimate Richness of Mashiach Tzidkenu,Amen!
Dovdov
And your point is ?????????????????????
Dovdov
You seem to have a problem with me crying, Are you laughing ???????????
Your blogs make you sound like your not JEWISH, since your allways sympathizing with the JEWISH enemy, – never with the suffering JEW.
Dovdov
and even if it was a collage, it represents the horrific facts!
whats your point????????
The reactions of Sheryl and nameless are pathetic. First of all, the concept of enemy of Jews refers to anyone, Jew or non-Jew, who seeks to destroy the ability of the Jewish People to follow the Torah. So if there is anyone who is an enemy of the Jewish People, it is Zionism and the traif Medinah. Period. The photo definitely looks like a collage. It is one of many like that.
to Dovdov – maybe you should join the BBC they just love people like you.
Please note one thing everybody: personal insults (argumentum ad hominem) are the last refuge of a person who has no argument of substance.
i don’t understand the point dov is trying to make by claiming this is a “collage” (said lack of understanding of his point is just fine with me). (it would not be a “collage” in any case, photomantage would be the correct term).
i do work professionally with digital editing and creation, including the production of photomontages. this is clearly not one. every nuance of shadowing, perspective, lighting, brightness, contrast and fading is completely consistent throughout.
post photographic processing was primitive then compared to today’s technology (i.e photoshop, image design, and the like) but even using the latest technology available in 2007 a fake this good would be quite unusual, even by well trained artists.
in addition even a bit of basic saichal would make this claim just plain laughable. there were hundreds of thousands of such photographs taken, making their laborious creation in the darkroom absurd.
it’s a very low and coarse thing to publicly call someone’s emotional response to a photograph: “pathetic”. very disturbing and sad.
‘The reaction of Sheryl and Nameless are pathetic’
You forgot bloggerman and ohvay and Sarah etc. etc. etc………
Why dont you just give up your ridiculous struggle to keep your pathetic opinion afloat?. I suggest you log in on another name and keep your comments sensible from now on. Believe me, you ‘ll gain more recognition that way…..
Dovdov:
March28 at 9:31 am says:
‘The reactions of Sheryl and Nameless are pathetic’
Dovdov
March 28 at 12:11 pm says:
‘PLEASE NOTE one thing everbody; personal insults are the last refuge of a person who has no arguement of substance’
Well,well. What influenced you in the past 2 and half hours to finally WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE????
Dovdov,
I’m afraid you’ve misunderstood this site. This is a Jewish site; thus, photos of Jewish persecution pains us. This applies to standard pictures, and those comprised of a number of photos in collage form.
I understand your confusion, as the internet is a “big place”, and it’s easy to land on the wrong site. Please respect our sensitivities to Jewish suffering, and thanks for stopping by.
To Sarah: Thank you for being so politically correct. But it seems that the sensitivities of many types of people have already been offended. For example, take a look at the postings about the Gaza Tsunami. And others as well. No person can take responsibility for how certain people feel about certain issues although the politically correct feel-good crowd doesn’t understand this. What about the feelings of millions of Germans who are sick and tired about hearing what happened 60 years ago that is used as a blank check (tchek patuach) for the agenda of the Zionists?
I hear you Dovdov, and I appreciate that you’ve put all your cards on the table right away.
My response will be limited to the following:
There are many of us who have lost relatives in the Holocaust. We are greatly shaken by your cavalier attitude toward the Shoah, and your empathy for the German nation.
Your disdain for Jewish suffering cannot be whitewashed under the guise of anti-Zionism. Many of us (perhaps the majority?) don’t subscribe to Zionistic ideology, although that is unrelated to the tragic transport in Nazi-occupied France. Please re-read your words- perhaps you wrote hastily, and did not adequately articulate your intended message.
I hope you speak over your feelings with your Torah mentors.
generally speaking, I do not read the posts of certain people who post here – I just skip over them. while reading osme of the posts from Sarah, Nameless anf Feival, I went back and read the posts by dovdov. I will go back to once again skipping his posts in the future. He continues to make no sense whatsoever.
Sheryl – I’m with you, this and other photos like it make me cry also. I show these photos to my older children and explain to them what was happening when these photos were taken… I show them pictures of the victims of Terror in E’Y such as the photo of the mother and girls that were shot point blank – I cry with this picture also.
Dovdov
THANK YOU, for exposing yourself.
YOU sympathize with the Germans (that hate your guts) and you sympathize with the palestinians that kill innocent Jews just as they kill your palestinian friends.
‘Millions of German’s are sick and tired about hearing what happened 60 years ago………’
YW;
I’m sure I can speak for all of us here when I say I have NO WORDS for that hateful , dispicable comment. Dare I ask your opinion?
“in addition even a bit of basic saichal would make this claim just plain laughable. there were hundreds of thousands of such photographs taken, making their laborious creation in the darkroom absurd…it’s a very low and coarse thing to publicly call someone’s emotional response to a photograph: “pathetic”. very disturbing and sad.”
Feivel, I second your words. Additionally, I do think there is more to this story than a lack of seichel.
Shades of holocaust denial: “not the so-called human transports, which were supposedly cattle trains (aren’t cows supposed to have enough openings to breathe?)”
Germany defender: “What about the feelings of millions of Germans who are sick and tired about hearing what happened 60 years ago”
Palestinian sympathizer: “it is perfectly appropriate for the Palestinians to sue the living daylights out of the Zionist regime in Eretz Yisroel for every single event of their suffering over the past 60 years starting with the ethnic cleansing of 1947-1949.”
Not to mention a bit delusional: “The photo definitely looks like a collage. It is one of many like that.”
Is this poster Jewish? A Palestinian? Who knows.
I for one, think that it’s best to refrain from continued dialogue with someone who espouses such horrific views. I don’t mind discussing this with other bloggers, but this fellow is not worth addressing anymore.
Dovdov Says:
March 28th, 2007 at 9:31 am
So if there is anyone who is an enemy of the Jewish People, it is Zionism and the traif Medinah. Period.
Why are you mixing in ”Zionism and the traif Medinah” nobody is talking about that now,
Try to stay focused, this topic is about a picture that gives some insight on the terrible crimes, your German friends did to us. The whole world witnessed it, and nobody but Achmedinejad and the NK denies it.
If you have a problem with some of us getting emotional (by looking on this picture) TO BAD.
I don’t think it’s good for you to have such hatred in you.
Dovdov
March 28 at 12:11 pm says:
‘PLEASE NOTE one thing everbody; personal insults are the last refuge of a person who has no arguement of substance’
DOES THE TRUTH HURT YOU Dovdov ???????????
***”The train is patently a merchandise transport, not the so-called human transports, which were supposedly cattle trains (aren’t cows supposed to have enough openings to breathe?)”***
this is EXACTLY the type of car that was used to transport holy Yidden.
here is a link to a picture of one such actual car that is part of the memorial at Yad Vashem:
http://zioneocon.blogspot.com/cattle%20car.jpg
However if you are one who is immersed in television and movies, you would expect to see a car with large openings that show the faces of the captives. makes for a more dramatic picture to portray the emotion of the situation and induce the effect desired by the media producers.
this very same media immersion, unfortunately has other undesirable effects on one’s character, among which can be identification with the other nations of the world and the adoption of their values and manner of thinking. including an empathy for the palestinians and germans.
Dovdov Says:
March 28th, 2007 at 9:31 am
So if there is anyone who is an enemy of the Jewish People, it is Zionism and the traif Medinah.
I’m trying to follow your logic, please help me.
If things would of gone your way 60 years ago and Zionism wouldn’t of gotten it’s way, – there would of been no ISRAELI MEDINA, where would all the six million Jews that live there now, be ?
In France, Iraq,Iran,Germany,
Where would all the great Gedolim and Yeshivos MIR, SLABODKA, and the rest, be ????
Are you aware, that before the ISRAELI MEDINA came along the country was a desert, there was barely any infrastructure, your palestinian friends lived in a much lower life style,
The reason why the palestinian teritories is a disaster now, is their fualt – they chose chamas as a government so the world boycotted them – THAT’S THEIR FUALT, But up until then they used israeli currency, israeli infrastructue. so what are you whining about ????????
Sheryl, insults are not truth. Substantive debate focuses on the matter of the issues involved, not on insulting the people in the debate. As far as all your questions are concerned, eyn safek motsi midey vaday – we cannot know what might have been or could have been. All we can know is what was. And it doesn’t help to talk about the desert. That is old fashion Zionist propaganda. Try to get updated to Zionist version 2007. And only the Big White Man likes to blame the victim of his attacks, in this case the Palestinians who are living in ghettos as bad as Vilna or Warsaw. You sound like Afrikaaners who used to say that the blacks are so much better off in South Africa than elsewhere. Long Live Apartheid!!”
Dovdov Says:
March 28th, 2007 at 2:15 pm
What about the feelings of millions of Germans who are sick and tired about hearing what happened 60 years ago that is used as a blank check (tchek patuach) for the agenda of the Zionists?
Let me explain to you something Mr Dovdov ,
Before the war, Germany had a very large Jewish population.
When your friend Hitler (Y’MACH SHEMO V’ZICHRO) came along he took away everything the Jews had, Money, Real estate, Buisnesses, EVERYTHING WAS TAKEN AWAY FROM THE JEWS, & NOT ONLY IN GERMANY BUT IN OTHER COUNTRIES AS WELL ,
This stolen money is now in Germany’s growing economy, WE WANT IT BACK, & we want it back WITH INTEREST,
If you have a problem with that, take it up with the German & International courts that ruled in our favor,
Why do you feel bad for Germans that are paying back what they stole,
should’t your sympathy be with the Jewish victims ???????????????
Dovdov
Just wondering, does the picture above make you smile ?
Dovdov
Say what you want, occupying land is no reason to murder innocent people.
Dovdov
You can hate the Jews & love the Palestinians all you want, but by the end of the day you feel safer living with Jews then Muslims, since Muslims kill fellow muslims daily, but Zionists don’t kill fellow Zionists.
Sheryl
Why are you diginifying his twisted principles? He is making a REGAL fool of himself and seems to be enjoying every minute of it!
YW,
I have always been comfortable with Yeshivaworld. There have been debates, differences of opinion, and some more heartwarming scenes, but never such slime as this.
Perhaps YW can practice some “apartheid” as well, so we can focus on truly “substantive debate” …
“Big White Man likes to blame the victim of his attacks, in this case the Palestinians who are living in ghettos as bad as Vilna or Warsaw. You sound like Afrikaaners who used to say that the blacks are so much better off in South Africa than elsewhere. Long Live Apartheid!!”
YW, perhaps you could recommend an appropriate professional for DD.
Sheryl, your way of discussing is like that of all Zionists. They like to grope at straws and jump from one issue to the other without ever finishing with the first one. Funny, though. Who sunk the Altalena? Oh, I know, that was only “one” case. Who destroyed the Yemenite Jews? Oh, I know, that was then. Who uprooted thousands of Jewish children by sending them to the scum of the earth called kibbutzim? Oh, I know, things are different now. Well, they aren’t! The Zionist leaders of the Jewish People are Amalekites and Erev Rav. They have no Jewish souls. And they have managed to brainwash the Jewish masses. But their end is coming.
Dovdov
Are you Jewish ?
“The Zionist leaders of the Jewish People are Amalekites and Erev Rav.”
This thread isn’t about Zionism. It’s about the transport to an internment camp in Nazi-occupied France.
Sheryl, this isn’t a typical Jew here. As DD has expressed sympathy for both the German “who are sick and tired of hearing about it” and for the Palestinians who are in ghettos “worse than Warsaw”, I think he’s stated his views about the tragic picture quite well. You’re not dealing with a full deck of cards, so I advise you to ignore his rantings.
Dovdov
Your last blog has no point.
What does it make a difference if I sound like a Zionist or not. If I’m right -I’m right, and if I’m wrong – I’m wrong.
And by the way ,you still didn’t answer if the picture above makes you smile or not.
Dovdov
If things go how you would like them to go, and your friend in Iran nukes (the Zionist) Israel, would you at least then feel bad for us Jews ?
I’m assuming that your either from the EIREV RAV called NK which not a single GADOL in the whole world today supports, or your not Jewish. Could you please divulge to the fellow blogers who you are ?
why are we giving dovdov credence by responding to his outrageous comments????`we qualify his comments by acknowleging them!
Dovdov, with all due respect to you, you post like an immature child! You are woefully lacking in any credibility because what you basically are doing is attacking and blaming the Zionist entity though if you agree to it’s existence or not may have nothing to do with the anti-semitism of the French courts. You are uninformed by virtue of your prejudicial bias towards the Zionists.
Sheryl – I read your posts. I like your posts. don’t waste your time and energy on this loser.
YW editor this dd character goes over the line with some of his comments. You edit other posts, his should be edited or deleted.
zionflag
mdlevine
frimmebubbe
Rochel Weissberger
Sarah
nameless
Thanks to all of you, I’ll heed your advice, and (try to) ignore this despicable ANTI-SEMITE.
zionflag
Thanks for the compliment,
When I said ”occupying land is no reason to murder innocent people”
I meant, that even if you don’t agree with the state of israel, and you think of them as occupying Palestinian land, that’s still doesn’t justify the murder of innocent people.
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