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A married IDF soldier in uniform was peacefully walking down the street pushing his young child’s stroller in Beit Shemesh when a group of young chareidi yeshiva students began taunting him with names and calling him a “Chardak” a derogatory term used for chareidim who opt to serve in the IDF rather than continuing to study in beis medrash.
Dozens of bnei yeshiva were involved in the assault against him, but B”H policemen intervened and assisted in extricating the young soldier and his child in the stroller he was pushing out of the area amid ongoing shouts from the talmidim.
(YWN – Israel Desk, Jerusalem)
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23 Responses
These animals make me sick. This is when I am ashamed to say I live in Beit Shemesh.
Ywn is a disgusting, chareidi hating, biased website. You should be ashamed of yourselves. Why is every other article against the frum in eretz yisroel?
Sick!
Sick!
Dsick and sad!
This is how these suppose Yeshiva students act before Ellul. Their Rosh Yeshiva has failed them.
This is a Chillul Hashem.
Will a single one of the many Chareidi Rabbonim in RBS speak out again these thugs – as they would, for example, if they were videoed eating cheeseburgers?
Or will they (again) support the thugs by their silence?
typo : the first “again” should read “against”
If it was me over there I would have gone over to this soldier and given him a big hug and said thank you for all that you do in protecting the citizens of Eretz Yisroel. May H-shem protect you and all your fellow soldiers. I would have continued; The fact that you are able to serve your Creator and serve in the IDF both at the same time says a lot about the very special individual you -and the many other chareidim that serve along side you. truly are.
What those animals did to this soldier in my view flies in the face of everything we yidden stand for….
YWN , Can you explain the HALOCHO permission to publicize this Loshon HORA.
Loshon Hora applies to groups or a particular sect.In addition Loshon Hora is prohibited even if well known unless conditions of ltoeles are met.
Just to publicize is prohibited.
When in doubt (at best) leave it out makes sense.
We in America NEED explanation!
What is the issue? Clearly there exists an opinion that these ______ are following! Why are they opposed? Who’s driving them?
Please explain the issue!
I think there has to be accountability. Soldiers may want to sensitive to feelings of the charedim who themselves feel targeted
Adarabba the bochurim need to be taught to express in a non hurtful way
Anachnu yachad
This is a community that needs to get serious about educating their youth.
There is no parallel to this in the Yeshivos I am familiar with.
Busha v’cherpa!
These are yeshiva bachurim?!
Anu mashkimim le’divrei Torah, ve’heim mashkimim le’dvarim be’tailim.
(And to call their time wasted in this disgraceful manner “devarim betailim” is a compliment they don’t deserve.)
Heim ameilim v’anu ameilim.
We toil and struggle to raise our children to respect all Yidden, to show respect to every human being, to personify the beautiful Middos of true bnei Torah. And they toil to create this disgusting behavior in their children.
We Need Rosh Yeshivas To Speak Openly And Clearly or There is a Big Chilul Hashem. If there is an Explanation Why Shouting at a Frum Israeli Soldier is Not Wrong or Why its Okay for Satmar Campers to practice Protesting Against Israel THEY OUGHT TO SIMPLY EXPLAIN IT. Because it in the mean time seems to be a Chilul Hashem. Another matter is – I have a filter but after viewing this video censorable videos seem to have come up . 🙁
There cant be a gehinom big enough to fit all these people in it.
History is repeating itself. This reminds me of the story of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza. This may be 1 of the reasons why Moshiach is still not here.
The problem is that most of the ultra charadi extremists are NEVER allowed to think, that is to weigh two sides of an argument. If their Gemora learning was sharp, they might be able to think and get out of their repressive and reprehensible group.
So these non-thinking animals sit in the beis medresh all day drinking coffee and schmusing believing that they are G-d’s gift to man, while brave yungeliet go out and fight the battles for all of us.
Too bad they can’t arrest these low live charadim and put them into the army for 3 years…
where in the gemorah does it say you can treat another jew so ashamedly. to those yeshiva bochas(days out of tisha bav!) who had there heads in the holy gemorah and then came out the beis medrash and embaress another jew in public and create such a chilul Hashem. what a crying shame.
Yaapchik – it is quite simple. The Gedolei Yisroel – the real ones – not the fakes, prohibit yirei haShem from participating in the zionist army. These heilige bochurim are simply protesting against those acting contrary to the instructions of the Gedolei Yisroel. Why does anyone see anything wrong with that? The opposite, it is praiseworthy.
Kind of interesting to read this article, and the comments at the bottom. I don’t often look at Yeshivaworld news, and the Commenters above certainly justify that position – providing a window into their level of yiddishkeit, as they sit behind their keyboards. That’s besides the article itself. It may indeed be time to get rid of this computer in time for Elul, or at least disconnect it completely from the Internet, aside from email and recipes.
My filter does not allow me to access Youtube, to where this video is posted for the whole world to see, from this..umm…’frum’ site. Regarding the article itself, even if true, it seems to be pure lashon hora, and the apoplectic reactions of most of the Commenters reinforce this assessment:
1. they seem driven deep into not just humanly negative emotions – anger; hatred; enmity; but emotions the Torah tells us to stay away from;
2. No attempt at dan le kaf zchus;
3. Lot’s of sweeping comments about yeshivas and the contents thereof, where their loathing gushes forth.
Commenters #10, #11, and #12 seek to explain. I add to these my Bystander attempt to be dan le kaf zchus (without having seen the video – which as we all know is the plain truth of an event)
1. Towards the Chareidim, the State of Israel’s army – and I respect and thank them for the vital role – is one of an explicit and implicit anti-chareidi agenda via the army culture; recently, we hear of beard shaving orders, chareidi soldiers getting bullied, and thrown out off their busses, just for being…Chareidi etc etc; Israel has from its inception used the army to melt those in the pot. This is ongoing, continuous and insiduous.
And it is understandable, too. Each culture acts to protect itself.
Therefore groups in the Chareidi world create barriers in the only way they know how – primitive in comparison to Computerbubby standards – in order to discourage the Chareidi man from enlisting. Such a recent barrier in my memory, is the term ‘Chardak’. It’s designed to isolate the Chareidim who do enlist, and insulate those who might, from the person who has decided to straddle the divide.
Of course then, once a term such as ‘Chardak’ is released into the public air – especially the teenage public, it engenders a certain toxicity, calling on negative emotions and stereotyping. It finds its affinity most in the group animal.
I think like most complex issues that do have a history, it should be treated at arms length, and maturely navigated.
My 2nd dan le kaf zchus assumption is that these are teenage boys. Boys who ascribe to the universal DNA of impetuousness, the immature and the un-thought out; fun with your chums tends to sweep away much of one’s mussar, and B’H there is a tremendous amount of mussar before events such as in this article, and plenty more after. Plenty of opportunity to grow past these opinions, and many do.
3. The keepa wearing soldier in the picture in this article seems past his teenage-hood, and presumably more thought out and mature, so why does he stroll around in his uniform and keepa? Is he oblivious to the deep and complex issues and tensions that his attire will bring out? Is he making a statement? What is he thinking?
If you were doing something your community did not agree with, would you strutt your stuff in front of your public?
I think these reasons go some way towards de-emotionalizing this event.
As such, it would seem that this kind of incident should not be written about, and certainly not disseminated, and certainly not Youtubed. It is a local problem. Let the locals deal with it.
To the wider audience, it is part of the grey of life.
B’H I’ve been off YeshivaWorld for a while, and as such, am Innocent enough to actually comment here – as if it’ll make a difference.
But if I remember correctly, it doesn’t. YWN serves a wide enough audience – as the Commenters represent, with their computerfied minds, emotional, contentless comments – that it will continue to write and post these kinds of articles: ie Lashon Hora; Motzi Shem Ra; huge amplifications of Chillul Hash-m.
I don’t know why it does, but it does. That’s just the way it is. All our commenting in the past hasn’t changed it, and will not change it.
It is our choice to read and look at these things, and if we are too addicted to stop, then my Jewish brother/sister, perhaps we must – sadly – disconnect. Why not run an addiction test? Perhaps make a survey of the intelligence and thoughtfulness of your comment?
May we all have a productive month of Elul.
An innocent bystander.
The chareidi behave like the arabs. DIsgusting, their leaders teach them this way.
One day when they need help, maybe he should turn away.
As so many of the prior posters have elegantly stated in different words, the true “chardakim” are the, “dozens of bnei yeshiva [who] were involved in the assault against him”. These pathetic excuses for bnai torah are fortunately the exception among the many chareidi who honor the service of the IDF even though they may disagree with its policies. May these misfits spend much of Chodesh Elul contemplating why they have likely forsaken the chelek of olam haboh for their despicable actions.