Exit polls from MSNBC, CNN and Fox have shown that Barack Obama received 78 percent of the Jewish vote in Tuesday’s election, whilst John McCain, received 21%.
The polls all put Jews at 2% of the poll sample.
In 2004, Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry won 74% of the Jewish vote, and in 2000, Al Gore received 79%.
The MSNBC data found the numbers amongst Christians in Tuesday’s election were far closer, with 45 percent of Protestants and other Christians and 54% of Catholics voting for Obama. Together, they made up 81%of the poll sample.
Fifty-six percent of female voters and 49% of male voters chose Obama, making up 53 percent and 47% of the vote respectively, according to the poll. An overwhelming 66% of voters between the ages of 18 and 29 voted for Obama.
The poll found a vast majority of voters, some 70%, to be “very/somewhat worried” about the prospect of “another major terrorist attack” in the US, and 85% of those polled said they were “worried” about the “direction of the [US] economy in the next year.”
A total of 36% of voters said they approved of the US-Iraq war, and 63% disapproved. Of Obama voters only 13% said they approved.
Jeremy Ben-Ami, executive director of the J Street lobby group on Tuesday called Obama’s victory a sign that the campaign waged against him by Republican Jews comprised “baseless smears.”
“American Jews resoundingly rejected the two-year, multi-million dollar campaign of baseless smears and fear waged against him by the right wing of our community,” he said. “Surrogates and right-wing political operatives in our community stopped at nothing in their efforts to sway Jewish voters against Obama.”
“We can only hope that these results put to rest for good the myth that fear and smear campaigns – particularly around Israel – can be an effective political weapon in the Jewish community,” he added.
(Sources: Jerusalem Post / Haaretz)
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This is Lashon Hara – I can not be Mikabel this.
How sad. It bad enough other nations try to kill us, but now we are doing to ourselves. We are like a self destructing nation.
I wonder what percentage of Orthodox Jews voted for Oybama??
Exactly bek721 I don’t believe a sane frum Jew would want a Muslim called Hussain as president.
I fail to understand (aside from, PERHAPS, some social issues) why it was a terrible thing to vote for Obama? McCain’s policies vis a vis the economy seemed to me to be inconsistent and reactionary to the crisis whereas Obama’s approach was more consistent and fresh. As for Israel, get real. We all REALLY think that McCain was going to just let Israel do anything they wanted? Look at how Bush turned out – everyone was adamantly vs Kerry and enthusiastic about Bush being pro-Israel, well folks, it was Bush who let the cat out of the bag with regard to the “two state solution” and once that cat is out of the bag, ain’t no candidate who can put it back in.
Nebach, but the real nebach is that there are so many people who identify themselves as Jews but the ugly reality is they are sadly misinformed. Their clergy are doing a terrible and dishonest service with the performance of intermarriage!
Jews who have the appreciation of the precious gift of OUR Torah voted for Mr McCain.
We must not dwell on the unpleasantness but rathermore appropriately, we must daven for HKBH to guide us.
6# I love the Hashem and the torah, yet I voted for Obama.
Sorry my friend but I think that YOU are sadly misinformed.
#5
He may not be a practicing muslim, but his father was and that is his יחוס! Scary!
AEF: There’s no loshon hora when it comes to liberal (= freie) Yidden. Don’t believe even for a moment that many frumme voted for this rosho ym”sh.
makes total sense
“Vi-rodu bo-chem soineichem”
“bo-chem” is darshened “Mikem” (from within you)(from your own)
This town, in the epicenter of Kenya’s Obamaland — the same area where Barack Obama’s father was from and where some of his cousins, half-brothers and a very gregarious 80-something step-grandmother still live — exploded into cheers when the news broke that Mr. Obama had won the presidency.
Thousands of people sang, danced, blew whistles, honked horns, hugged, kissed and thumped on drums — all down the same streets where not so long ago huge flames of protest had raged.
“Who needs a passport?” people yelled. “We’re going to America!”
It was sweetness on many levels. A black man in the White House. A half-Kenyan at the helm of the most powerful country on the planet. And a fair election, which Kenyans have learned is nothing to take for granted.
People here stayed up all night, swatting mosquitoes as they watched the election results trickle in on TV sets with fuzzy pictures. The last time this many Kenyans were riveted by an election — their own, in December 2007 — riots erupted after the opposition candidate lost and Kenya’s incumbent president won. Widespread allegations of vote rigging sent tens of thousands of young men into the streets, to loot, burn and kill. Much of Kisumu, usually a relaxed town along the steamy, hippo-infested shores of Lake Victoria, was ravaged.
But on Wednesday, many of the same young men who had been doing the burning, the looting and worse, were all smiles, part of the happy wave of emotion that coursed through Kisumu. Passersby and mini-bus drivers and bicycle taxi men got swept into the streets, where Obama posters, Obama pins and even Obama wall clocks were selling faster than juicy papayas.
“This has restored my faith in democracy,” said Duncan Adel, a computer technician who had been part of the election protests last year.
About an hour away, down a bumpy dirt road, Mr. Obama’s extended Kenyan family held a 1,000-person bash in their ancestral village of Kogelo.
“We’re going to the White House!” they sang.
[Most people in Kisumu are Luo, the ethnic group of the top opposition leader and coincidentally the same ethnic group of Mr. Obama’s father. There is an old joke in Kisumu that a Luo will become president of the United States before becoming president of Kenya. It has indeed come true.]
By mid-morning, the Kenyan government declared Thursday a national holiday. It meant a day off. And surely more partying.
DUBAI, United Arab Emirates | By Michael Slackman Minutes before show time, the $2 million high-tech backdrop for Al Arabiya’s election day news coverage was not working. But the channel’s executive editor, Nabil al-Khatib, was calm. He is a tall man, with an easy presence, decades of experience in Middle East news and a conviction that events would not surprise.
Senator John McCain, he believed, was going to win.
“Would Americans choose someone who thinks outside the box?” he asked rhetorically as an army of engineers and technicians scrambled to get the big screen working again Wednesday morning. “This is just too good to be true.”
Al Arabiya is a Saudi-owned, Arabic-language television news channel based in the Arab world’s capital of consumer spending, Dubai. Al Arabiya’s regional audience was overwhelmingly in favor of Senator Barack Obama, the editors said, but in the emirates, it seemed, there were at least some people who were certain that Americans would never vote for someone as different as Mr. Obama. “McCain will win,” Bilal al-Bodour, a deputy minister of culture for the United Arab Emirates, said a day earlier. “That is the American mentality.”
Mr. Khatib had the same sense. He stood in the back of the newsroom, a circular studio wrapped in a belt of video screens, all bathed in red and blue lights. The engineers had fixed the digital backdrop. “This is a historic moment not only for the United States, but so we can all get away from perceptions about religion and race and instead consider the quality of the person,” Mr. Khatib said.
Al Arabiya was determined to present news coverage of the election that was not biased toward either candidate. There was concern, for example, about the banner swirling across a screen. It was red, the station’s color, but it might appear to signal support for the Republicans.
As the night went on, it was clear who was the favorite candidate on the set.
“I want Obama to win with 99 percent, like Saddam Hussein,” said Hani Abu Ayyash, who was monitoring the early returns at his computer. “I swear, if he doesn’t win, I’m going to take it personally.”
And then, a few minutes before 8 a.m., CNN called the race, declaring Senator Obama the winner, and there was, for a brief moment, a cheer in the studio, a fist raised, and then back to the broadcast. Mr. Khatib clasped his hands over his head, like a champion declaring victory, and smiled broadly.
“I am positively surprised,” he said. “It’s great.”
Since evrything is from hashem and evry thing is for the good of the jews
Then hashem didn’t want mccain to be president on the other hand hashem wanted abama to be president. so why be sad or upset, we should be happy for what hashem did and thank him for it. also it is a mishne “hevey mispallel b’shlomo shel malcus”
I’ld be curious how they determine who is a Jew. I suspect their sampling techniques are overweighting Reform and secular Jews, and underweighting Orthodox Jews.
Lets just hope that being “yad malchim visorim biyad hashem”, we can tangibley see this turn out litovah and our panic was baseless
#7 Unfortunately for you,you are the one that is sadly misinformed as you say you are Torah Jew yet you don’t listen to the Gedolim that clearly said not to vote for Obama. You might think you are informed about the issues but you are misinformed about your own Judaism.
I am a Torah observant Jew who voted for Obama as well.
I came to a rational decision that he would be a better President of the United States and voted accordingly.
And I for one…was very happy to see impoverished people around the world happy to tears at the almost miraculous election of one of their own. It was a beautiful sight.
Why can’t you open your hearts and look out of your little narrow bubble?
Barack Who’s Sane Obama is NOT a Muslim. He was raised Christian, by his Christian mother and Christian grandmother.
He wants to unite America. The last eight years were divisive – if you were against the war in Iraq, you were considered unpatriotic. Elizabeth Dole, in her campaign, called her opponent an athiest!
Obama’s a brilliant constitutionalist who graduated at the top of his class at Harvard law, as law review editor.
He didn’t grow up w/a silver spoon in his mouth, so he’s more down to earth and understands what working people deal with on a day-to-day basis. He knows how many houses he has, and hasn’t had to have a Kenyan witch hunter protect him from witches, as Sarah Palin did.
America chose well, and I’m proud of us.
#17 toaster head, I did listen to my Gedolim, who are smart enough to say that they don’t know who to vote for. You need to have bitochon in Hashem he will make sure that whatever is good for us will happen.
If you think for one second the McCain is better for Jews then you “my friend” are sadly misinformed.
Who are your gedolim? hannity? rush? are some other right-wing fear mongering fascist.
Don’t just babble what you hear from these people, check the facts!!!
#20 right on the money!
To all thos that voted Obama.. SHAME ON YOU!
it is very embarrassing to she so many frum people unware of the true obama.
may H-shem let the world and country see the true barak obama, and not just what the liberal media whats everyone to see.
illini07,
if you like him so much why dont you keep him yourself?!?!?
I would like to ask all Obamanationites, now that you will be patriotic and spreading YOUR wealth around, to please send it directly to me. Why have Uncle Sam give it to some yutz on the street when you could give it to a misheluni?
oy vey,
He didnt grow up with a silver spoon in his mouth??? You obviously were not paying attention and now you will be PAYING more – WAY MORE – in taxes.
My daughter registered to vote for the first time through the Agudath. There were many messages from the Gedolim that it’s important to vote.
As long as we’re here in Galus, we have to protect ourselves. Not voting in such a crucial election, especially for frum Jews, is shameful. Don’t let me here anything from the Frum Gelt about how bad things are if they’re not willing to do something about it.
When the numbers are released, it’s likely that in communities in NY such as Boro Park, Midwood, Crown Heights, KGH, Far Rockway, in election districts districts that are specifically frum, maybe even by zipcode, we’ll see that frum Jews did not jump onto the cult of Obama.
Carter begon Reagan. It’s too soon to know who Obama will bring on. But already in today’s news, Hamas is bombing Israel, gay marriage is back on the agenda in CA and Obama “made a deal” (source, Arutz Sheva) with Abbas to “give them East Jerusalem”. May HBH help us!
It is upsetting to think that among the most learned of people supported a candidate and hated another based on word-of-mouth and did not look into the evidence. Not only that, but they go so behind a particular candidate that it reminded me of avodah-zora-like support. Giants vs Patriots? McCain vs Obama? Yes, one is more serious than the other. But where is the emunah and bitochon so that even those among our community shared in such slander and sinas chinom?
The reshoim will get the upper hand when the B’nei Yisroel abandon he Torah.
Most Jews do not keep the Torah. Many frum ones who outwardly do,are not sincere. We are good people but not to the level we should be.
Who is a Jew? Anyone? Exit polls tell you very little.Most people keep political decisions secret an will not tell you what they did but what they think you want to hear. How many chassidim voted? How many for O? What %? These figures are grossly inaccurate.How many women? Men? Yeshiva students?
With all honesty, I don’t think he’s a terrorist, nor an Arab.
I view him as a confused child, a good kid, who was influenced and found his self image through very radical sects of our population, as is evident in his voting record.
I think at this point he’ll move a bit to the center-left as far as domestic issues are concern since he now got to see the larger picture of the ideological spectrum.
The real troubling part is the international front, since he’ll get much louder cheers in the world by shifting towards arab nations when it doesn’t concern US security, and especially when it would be in US interest to do so.
Doing “the right thing” is not what’s on his mind. It’s the vast loud crowd that manners.
onthelake,
what was your rational decision? more taxes? cut & run in the wars? cutting the military budget by 25% ?
I’m curious.
Here’s a thought.
Chazal tell us that by Yetzias Mitzrayim four fifths of the jews weren’t zoiche to go out because they harbored sentiments in their hearts to stay in Mitzrayim.
We are also told that by Yemos HaMashiach the same proportion will not come along for the same reason. Being that we are in the final stretch before Moshiach’s arrival (as I personally heard from one of the most prominent and accepted Gedolim in America a few weeks ago- that it’s clear and obvious that with the current state of world events ie. the economy, Iran, Obama, Israel etc. the only way the world can continue is with the imminent arrival of Moshiach).
Now for all you mathematicians out there….four fifths equals what percent???? You got it.
Just a thought.
to Mark Levin:
I don’t earn close to a quarter of a million dollars, so I don’t expect my taxes to rise under Obama’s administration. And I’m glad I won’t be paying taxes for my health care!
The mess from the Bush administration – taking a federal SURPLUS from Clinton and turning it into the biggest DEFICIT we’ve ever had — is going to cost money. Where do you think it’s going to come from? A bake sale? A pledge drive? We all have to pay – for the Iraq War, for the financial crisis – deal with that reality, all — before the Chinese come in and foreclose on our debt!
“yupitsme #31” Well said. I for one just came back from the post office and made passports. I am seriously thinking making an Aliyah – I am a chasidish guy from Boro Park (might sound extreme). Look into it. Nefesh Bnefesh has a very comprehensive website with all the Q&A and it seems to be very attractive with the benefits and supplements you get thru them and the Israeli government.
Also, just a thought!
Exit polls conducted in Orthodox neighborhoods seems to indicate that frum Jews overwhelmingly supported McCain.
Check out http://baltimorejewish.com we did an exit poll of the frum community and how they voted.
it is so interesting- all those who voted for Obama really sound like they have a chip on their shoulder. It is as if you realize that voting for Obama was contrary to religious beliefs.
Mark Levin..
His tax plan is very similar to Clintos..and the last time I checked..the Clinton years were very prosperous years.
I have no problem paying higher taxes if that will make us more fiscally responsible.
I voted for him because he’s smart..well thought out..open minded and has captured the excitement and energy of millions of people in this country and around the world to work toward a better and more peaceful country and world.
Along the lines of yupitsme…
We are told that the teva of the world will change in the days prior to Moshiach. That being the case we need to think back to the 1860s and 1960s and recall what happened to people who wanted to free Chum’s descendants. Hint: Lincoln & King were the biggest ones but there were others.
We now see a major change in the teva of the world when someone from Chum who was cursed by Noach to be an eved to his brothers, was elected to become the leader over descendants of Shaym and Yefes.
I think I also speak on behalf of everyone on this blog who is a right thinking kind of person by saying that we are all in agreement that whatever happens is Yad HaSh-m. We need to do our hishtadlus which here in the USA is to use our voices and keyboards.
Let us hope that this takeh is part of the chevlay moshiach and may it be easy on us all.
ML
Hatzlocha Rabba to everyone and to all tzedokas because ich hub moyra we will need it for the next 2 years at least.
Teiere Yidden,
I voted for McCain. But now I’m PLEADING with you. Hold your fire. Be very careful of how you talk on this or any other blog. There are AINUMMESHALONU who have free access all blogs.
So unless your real Tachlis is for Teshuvo then we have a responsibility to make a Kiddush Hashem and give him the proper Kovod and respect.
Hashem should give him proper understanding that everything should work out for good.
useyourbrain2, it’s not that I have a chip on my shoulder; it’s that the negative comments make me feel defensive. also, I think that most of the negative comments are borne out of fear, misunderstanding, prejudice, and propaganda.
were we all really listening to the same information and came to such diametrically opposite conclusions, as intelligent, rational, thinking people?
You know, I am a canadian, and a conservative. Our frum communitry worked hard andhelped the conservatives to a victory. had I been in the US, I would likely be a republican. I would likely have voted for McCain.
But seriously, folks… A Muslim? because someone sent you an email? That would mean the same as saying someone named Feivush or Feivel is a Greek Pagan, or someone Named kalman is a Roman. Let’s be clear. The man is a liberal, and many of those who will influence his policies in the next 4 years do not share the values or the priorities of the Frum community. Fine. Not the first, nor the last liberal president we will see. Clinton was one too. No doubt Ayers and Wright are bad influences, but can we say with clarity that the mosdos that benefitted from Ivan Boesky and Michel Miliken, or the more recent Jack whats his name in DC didn’t have any negative influence on them?
As much as I would rather have seen a republican win, one cannot argue with the fact that almost 120 million Americans voted. That people are genuinely inspired by this man, and by the fact that he is a gifted, charismatic speaker. Instead of bashing him, what rational opponents should be doing is learning how he built a machine that raised over 600 million dollars, and created over 3 million volunteers out of thin air. Learn how he took control of the Democratic party message even though Dean and Clinton stood in his way. Learn, in other words, how to win. Of course, the Republicans can always go back to their core white middle aged male evangelical base, but that won’t grow the party. As the very wise, though unfortunately non-Jewish General Sun Tzu wrote – know your adversary if you wish to beat him.
oy vei,
You were obviously not paying close attention. The 250k was on a business but for the INDIVIDUAL Obama/Biden said that 42k annually was considered “rich.” I hope you are higher than that and if you are, be prepared to share some of your wealth.
You might not be paying taxes for your healthcare but you will end up with socialized medicine which I could tell you from relatives living in such countries that is is VERY BAD. Are you ready to be put on waiting lists for surgeries? Are you prepared to be told that you could only go to certain drs? Socialized medicine is a major drain on taxes which is why countries with socialized medicine have tax rates in the 70% range.
Yes it is true that Bush administration spent more money which is a shame because he was NOT fiscally conservative. However, we were attacked on 9-11 and we were in a war. We also had to rebuild the military which Prez Clinton decimated. Something else to keep in mind is that Clinton had Mr Newt keeping him honest for 4 of those years.
I am not saying we dont have to take care of the money and bring ourselves back to a balanced budget etc., but history PROVES its not socialism that works. Raising taxes on the people who make money will not work because they will not hire new workers which means there wont be more money in the coffers etc.
ML
illini07,
It was 250k on businesses but a mere 42k on individuals and families.
Welcome to the Welfare State.
onthelake,
His overall tax plan is nowhere near Pres Clinton. Pres Clinton’s was at 39%. Obama will needs TONS more money to pay for his far left leaning agenda. He is worse than Clinton ever was as far as that is concerned.
Mark – may I call you Mark? I feel after today, maybe we should have coffee – here’s what a fact-check site said about the $42,000 earnings hooey:
“The radio ads present us with a slight variation on an old theme, telling us that to pay for new programs, “congressional liberals” want to raise taxes on “folks” making $42,000 a year, in the case of the Williams ad, and “American families” making that amount, in the case of the Crist ad.
The claims refer to the budget resolution that Obama and others voted for earlier this year, which we’ve written about over and over. First off, a budget resolution is a kind of rough budgetary blueprint that Congress passes each year. Its specific provisions can’t take effect without further legislation, and lawmakers have taken no action to implement this one, which in theory would have allowed Bush’s tax cuts to expire for people in the 25 percent tax bracket, allowing their tax rate to revert to 28 percent.
Even if it had been enacted, though, there would have been no tax hike for “families” (as one ad says) making $42,000 a year. (The other ad says “folks,” a somewhat less precise phraseology). No, nyet, non, nein. We have nightmares about our very own version of the film “Groundhog Day,” in which we wake to Sonny and Cher’s “I Got You, Babe,” then stagger to our laptop and type these sentences: While it’s true that a single taxpayer making $42,000 a year would have seen his or her taxes go up by about $15 if this provision had been followed up and enacted, a family of four would have had to hit an income level of $90,000 before experiencing a tax hike. For couples, the figure would have been $83,000.
And, once again, Obama himself proposes tax cuts for 95 percent of families with children. Only families with more than $250,000 annual income would see an increase.
We could say that we didn’t think the McCain campaign had heard a word we’ve said over these long months, but we know it has: It cites our work in its back-up for the Crist ad. The article it quotes from though – “The $32,000 Question” – doesn’t support what the radio ad says. What we said is this: “The resolution Obama voted for would not have increased taxes on any single taxpayer making less than $41,500 per year in total income, or any couple making less than $83,000.”
Maybe the campaign is only half-listening.”
Mark, were you only half listening?
בארבע שנים הקרובות, לבטח יפורסמו תמונות מביקורים של רבני
ועסקני חב”ד בלשכתו של נשיא ארה”ב הנבחר ברק אובאמה. הצצה קלה בארכיון הביאה אותנו לתמונה שצולמה בתשס”ה, בה נראה הנשיא החדש (אז סנטור בשיקגו), לוחץ בחמימות את ידיו של הרב שמואל בוטמן, מגיש התוכנית השבועית “מוצ”ש חי” ב ל”ישראל יש תמיכה דו-צדדית בסנאט של ארצות-הברית”, אמר אז אובאמה לרב בוטמן, בימים בהם לא חשב על ההיסטוריה שייעשה.
oy vei,
Yes you may call me Mark. May I call you “oy” or should it be “Mr. Oy” or “Mr. Vei?”
“And, once again, Obama himself proposes tax cuts for 95 percent of families with children.”
Please tell me how this is possible when HALF of this 95% doesnt even pay federal income tax? Can you get a “tax cut” (if I recall he will be sending us all checks) when you paid no income tax in the first place. They dont pay the tax because they are either not working or they are below the lowest tax bracket.
I will stick to my statement that socialism or redistribution of wealth does NOT work in the long run. There is no incentive to work and make money if you get welfare forever.
Dear Insereins
The American people will have a new president and we will all pray it should be LETOIWOH for Klal Yisroel and for America.
Right now the choices are made, i beg all of you
do not give your opinions so openly on a webside,what if it gets out and will make a big Chillul H.
I rather suggest President Bush should get a nice letter or a plate to thank for everything he did on our behalf.
I know i live in Switzerland but even in a very free country you too are all in Goluss and now that the american people have choosen, the Theme should be finished.
H. changed Pharos heart He can do the same
Hazlochoh may Klall Yisroel have Sholem Parnosso
Ve Kol Tuv
be ended.
oy vei, just because our thoughts differ from yours, it does not mean that our “negative comments are borne out of fear, misunderstanding, prejudice, and propaganda”. We have obviously NOT been listening to the same information, as I have voted McCain, and you have not.
The liberal media has been very powerful in this election. they have let the country see only half of the story.
Put negative feelings aside for just one moment. The truth of the matter is, Obama has had a HUGE backing from most forms of media – whether is be radio, newspapers, magazines, tv, websites. That is the fact. Now, because they were so pro Obama, they refused to show the positive side to McCain. All they showed was that McCain is “4 more years of Bush”.
That is not biased media. Whether you are Dem. or Rep. – that is not giving the opposition a fair chance. John McCain was going to bring many great changes to America. You were to busy looking at Obama’s praises, and not his negatives. No, John McCain isn’t perfect -no one ever said he was, but you can see from the things he said that he is a good human being with a history of sacrafice for his county.Instead of showing that to America, the media has pounded into everyones brain that McCain is Bush.
(What has Obama had to sacrifice for his Country?)
baruch hashem, obama will lead our country out of its current misery
um unnamed, what did george dubya sacrifice for his country? does being a prisoner of war make one a better president? i like mccain – i have no quarrel with him. he’s a wonderful american. and i have no doubt he could do the job.
the taxes will come mostly from the 1%, the most wealthy, not the 95%. a tax cut or reduction does not mean a check. those incentive checks didn’t help the economy. if you don’t pay taxes, obviously you get no reduction.
the comment about the liberal media tickled me – how often have we heard that the jews control the media and the banks?
obama won, by a landslide. we don’t need the supreme court to decide this election. he’ll be our president for a four-year term. so now it’s time to heal and come together, liberal, conservative, all americans, and stop ad hominem attacks.
mark, it would be – gasp – ms.
ML – few developed countries do NOT have socialized medicine. Which of them have a 70% tax rate? And, do you mean for corporations or individuals? (BTW, the corporate tax rate in the US was once as high as 80%).
uh.. did I say that “George Dubya” sacrificed? (BTW- making fun of Bush is extremely immature, and uncalled for)
My point wasn’t that McCain should be pres because he sacrificed and Obama didn’t. My point is that the media tries to hide all the good qualities of John McCain, and all the bad of Obama.
As for the jews controlling the media and banks… just because someone has a “jewish name” doesn’t mean they are a real Jew. Besides, with Obama’s energy plans, the only people ruling anything in the future will be Saudi Arabia.
On Obama’s tax plan… whether any of us fall under the bracket of higher taxes or not, the whole concept is unrealistic. We can see from history that the system just doesn’t work. Besides, why would anyone want to give their money to lazy freeloaders? I heard and intervierw yesterday with some woman on the street saying – Obama’s gonna pay my mortgage, my car, my shopping, etc” This is what people think??
Yes, Obama was elected, so we will have to wait and see what the future holds. All I can say is that I am counting down the days to the next election.
Let’s hope Moshiach comes before then.
(P.S. for all you know, Mark may be a Mrs./Ms. as well, just like us)
Ms Vei,
1. President Bush did serve in the Armed Forces. Not that something like that would make one a better president.
2. By not wanting to give someone a check if they didnt have to pay income tax…. you sound more right wing than you really want to.
3. The taxes may come from the most wealthy but that means they wont be expanding thier business, the wont issue raises and they wont hire new workers. Even worse, in order to pay the addtional tax they may can some people as well. But that’s ok because Obama is gona give them money too.
4. Obama did NOT win by a “landslide” as you noted. He seems to have won the popular vote by only 6 percentage points and he probably won the Electoral College 364-173. 1964 was a landslide. 1672 was a landslide. 1980 & 1984 were landslides for President Reagan. We could debate 88 & 96 as well. But this…. was not a landslide.
I will base that on my reviewing the map at usatoday.com where one can see that Obama won because he did better around the bigger cities. Considering exit polls claimed that 96% of his brothers and sisters voted for him, that would make sense. Seriously, look at the map and its mostly RED. This tells me (and in talking to people during my travels) that most of the country doesnt stand with him.
squeak, try most European countries. I know what it is in the UK. They have no incentive. I know what it did to relatives of mine. If you need to see a dr you cannot be told that you have to wait a few months. The govt cannot be in charge of mi yichye u’mi yamus but thats what govt healthcare does. Oh, btw, we have govt healthcare already and its called medicare or medicade. NO ONE and I will repeat that NO ONE is ever turned down for medical care in the hospitals here. If anyone tells you that, they are 100% liars! Walk into any hospital and see for yourself. I have personally been treated at hospitals when I didnt have insurance and the treatment wasnt any different.
One cannot truly beleive that the tax rates will “only” come up 3% and pay for everything this man is promising. He will need more money to pay for everyone to go to college, for everyone to have medicare, for every kid to attend pre-school. Where do yall think this money is coming from??
Socialism and govt involvment in our lives does not work. Capitalism has been proven to work. Taxing the rich thru the roof doesnt work and it never has. It was President JFK who decided to cut taxes from the rich so they could spend it better. YES!! JFK started the theory of “trickle down economics!! The Dems went away from that and it wasnt till President Reagan came to office where the tax rates were cut to 28%. This was followed by an economic boom to the country!
Derech Ha’teva, we are in a big heap of trouble and it can only be that Moshiach is right around the corner.
I usually don’t agree with illin07, but I have to agree with comment #16 that there is no basis in Halacha to mater loshon hara against liberal Jews or to call them not frum (calling them krum is another thing). There is a heter for lashon hara about apikorsim but it is not easy to find apikorsim nowadays (someone who is krum because of his background is NOT an apikores). As the Chofetz Chaim says when giving heterim for lashon hara, “Ki yesharim darchei Hashem, tzadikim yeilchu vam uposhim yikashlu vam”
21% of jews add the others in ure mishebairach for the cholim
Q: What Would You Call Obama’s kids?
A: Bnei barack