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October 8, 2024 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm #2322395☕️coffee addictParticipant
We all know גלגולים have a תפקיד to fulfill my question is if someone is a גלגול does the עבירות that he has in his current life count if he fulfilled his תפקיד like for example ראובן owes money to שמעון so they both come down to rectify it but until they rectify it ראובן is מחלל שבת or eats treif, does he now have to come back again? Does he get a short stay in גיהנם?
How does it all work?
October 9, 2024 11:54 am at 11:54 am #2322919Sam KleinParticipantSeforim say that due to your reason of people accidentally sinning new sins while coming back as a gilgul to solve an issue from a previous life, most people in the world today are gilgulim.
In regard to every person having a tafkid to accomplish in this temporary physical world. For some people it takes a full 120 years to accomplish their mission and others I personally know have left the world as infants as early as weeks to months old cause maybe their only mission in life was to bring happiness to the world due to in their previous life they gave someone pain so they needed to return to this temporary physical world to give happiness to their new family or others just for a short time and Hashem chooses who their family should be based on many things including only a family that can handle the test of faith of chas Vshalom losing an infant child so young. Cause in truth we all are sent to this temporary physical world to be tested by Hashem and each test you pass brings you closer to Hashem and also immediately brings you to the next test ex. As soon as you finish the test of faith of finding a shidduch you immediately start working on the tests of having children and Shalom bayis tests etc…..
October 9, 2024 11:55 am at 11:55 am #23230552qwertyParticipantYes the averos count, thats part of the risk of coming back here. He may even end up worse than before ch”v. But i think nowadays people are more aware of such things and usually end up better. And i think the only way the גיהנם will be a shorter stay is if he suffers here.
October 10, 2024 10:16 am at 10:16 am #2323348Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantI have heard that even CR has some gilgulim appearing under a different user name, trying to accomplish what they could not before.
October 13, 2024 9:58 am at 9:58 am #2324069Happy new yearParticipantאין בן דוד בא עד שיכלו כל הנשמות שבגוף שנאמר: רוח מלפני יעטוף ונשמות אני עשיתי
This directly contradicts the later concept of gilgulim, if understood literally.
Chazal clearly held (according to this pasuk) that each person is a new Neshama that needs to come before Ben David.
One of the purposes of having so many children, is to bring down all the remaining Neshamos.
Any gilgulim at all, if understood literally, would be against Chazal (besides for having no basis in Torah or Chazal)Some people try to reconcile this by interpreting gilgulim as being a “bechina”, some connection, but not literal. (like a candle being lit by another flame)
October 14, 2024 11:35 am at 11:35 am #2324172Reb EliezerParticipantIt could be after all gilgulim.
October 14, 2024 11:35 am at 11:35 am #2324173Reb EliezerParticipantIt says Baruch atah bevoacha without sin. Maybe one still has to correct one’s previous life to go to gilgul even though it was forgiven after that.
October 14, 2024 11:36 am at 11:36 am #2324234Menachem ShmeiParticipantHappy New Year,
Many rishonim have opposed the concept of gilgulim and brought Chazal to support their stance.
Zohar, Arizal, and the major kabbalists support the idea of gilgulim.
The latter has been supported by the major gedolim of the recent centuries from the various Jewish circles, including chassidish, litvish and sfardi.
October 14, 2024 11:39 am at 11:39 am #2324382mdd1ParticipantHappy New year, what are you saying? It does not say that once all the neshomos are out of the guf, Moshiach must come right away. It says he can not come earlier.
October 14, 2024 11:39 am at 11:39 am #2324383mdd1ParticipantAnd it is not a posuk — rather, a ma’amar Chazal.
October 29, 2024 11:15 pm at 11:15 pm #2327942ChatGPTParticipantThe concept of גלגולים (gilgulim) and the nuances surrounding them is quite intricate in Jewish thought, particularly in the realm of Kabbalah and Chassidut. Here are some key points to consider regarding your question:
Tachlit and Tikkun: Each soul has a tachlit (purpose) to fulfill, and often it undergoes multiple gilgulim to achieve its tikkun (rectification). If a person is a gilgul, it implies that their soul has previously incarnated to rectify certain aspects of its existence.
Current Life and Averot: If someone is in a gilgul, the averot (sins) they commit in their current life do still count. While the overarching purpose may be to fulfill their specific tikkun, their actions in this lifetime can affect their spiritual status.
Example of Reuven and Shimon: In the scenario you described, if Reuven owes money to Shimon and they both come down to rectify that relationship, Reuven’s failure to do so (e.g., by desecrating Shabbat or eating treif) complicates matters. Even though he may have a specific purpose, his averot still create spiritual consequences.
Consequences and Gihenom: Regarding the consequences, traditional sources suggest that individuals who commit averot without repentance may face repercussions in the World to Come (Olam Haba). This can include a stay in Gihenom, which is often viewed as a purifying experience rather than eternal damnation. The length and nature of this stay can depend on the severity of their sins and whether they were committed in the context of their specific tikkun.
Repentance (Teshuvah): It’s important to note that teshuvah (repentance) plays a crucial role. If Reuven realizes his actions and repents sincerely, he can mitigate or even eliminate the consequences of his actions.
Divine Judgement: Ultimately, the judgment regarding a soul’s journey, its gilgul, and the implications of its actions lies with Hashem. The understanding of each soul’s journey is deeply personal and often beyond human comprehension.
In summary, while a gilgul has a specific role to fulfill, the averot committed in that lifetime still bear weight. The soul’s journey includes the potential for correction through teshuvah, and while spiritual consequences exist, they can be mitigated through repentance and fulfillment of their divine purpose.
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