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Why is Neturei Karta and rabbi Weiss considered reshaim ? Because of the chilul hashem they make ok they do one aveyra as opposed to the IDF (not hesder or other programs) which does horrible averos and they our considered great people. No one would dare to say ym”s about them because their Jewish but nk no one has a problem cursing, , saying they are horrible people etc.my point is the IDF isn’t any better then NK
NK is not a chillul hashem.
If anything, they are defending the Torah, and making a kiddush hashem.The Torah says if we don’t follow the Law, we will be exiled and not redeemed. Yet we see the secular state of Israel flourishing and prospering, like never before.
אין חילול ה’ יותר מהצלחת מדינת ישראל
This should NOT be considered controversial.
ALL Rabbis were anti Israel originally and the Torah curses the state of Israel and threatens destruction.“The land will SPIT you out”
People think the holocaust was a chilul hashem .
Maybe. That’s debatable.That the state of Israel is so successful is one of the biggest chillulei hashem in history, should not be debatable
If it turns out that the Arab-Israeli (or rather Iranian-Israeli) conflict ignites World War III, similar to how a local conflict in the Balkans ignited World War I, Neturei Karta will be seen as the only group who correctly understood how Jews turning into Zionists could destroy the world.
Like the leaders of Yisroel in Mitzrayim, the IDF puts their lives on the line to save the Jewish people. Particularly at this time – with the Jewish people in danger worldwide and much too much sinas chinam and no Temple – I think it behooves us all to make as much ahavat chinam as possible and as much gratitude as possible.
Satmar Court Slams Neturei Karta:
Are there limits to anti-Zionism?Typically anti-Zionist Orthodox sector issues condemnation
of seven Orthodox Jews who attended Iranian
Holocaust denial conference last weekby Neta Sela 2006/12/15 * from: ynetnews (dot) com
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The Satmar Hassidism Court published an unprecedented statement
calling on the public to disassociate themselves from the
seven Neturei Karta members who visited Iran
to attend the Holocaust denial conference this week.
The Satmar movement printed an official placard,
with bold black lettering, publicly denouncing
“fanaticism, and those committing insane acts
to walk hand in hand with the Arabs.”The court further ordered that the offenders be shunned
and their actions be condemned. It slams the offenders
for “joining in desecrating the name of the heavens”.
The declaration expresses astonishment at how a few people
“dared attend a special conference of the nations of the world
that despise Israel (may the names of the evil rot),
deny the Holocaust, and deny and belittle the immensity
of the evil and murder of those killed for sanctifying The Lord;
they desecrated the name of the heavens.”
Residents of the Orthodox neighborhood of Mea Shearim
said that the Orthodox leaders could not stand the fact
that those individuals who visited Iran identify themselves
as Satmar Jews, and thus stain the name of Orthodoxy.
The Satmar Orthodox group is the largest Orthodox sector
worldwide, numbering some 120,000 people,
and holds adamant anti-Zionist views.
Yitzhak Weiss, an editor of a Hassidic journal, told Ynet:“The rabbinate issued the declaration to attack those Orthodox
who represented Orthodox Judaism at the Holocaust denial conference.
What they did there is a simple crime against humanity.”=========================================
Neturei Karta: Iranians making logical claim
by Neta SelaHaredi Jews who attended Holocaust conference in Tehran
express support for Ahmadinejad’s ideas.According to their representative in Jerusalem:
Iran’s goal isn’t to exterminate Israel,
but to take action against Zionism.Holocaust survivor and former Chief Rabbi of Israel,
Rabbi Israel Lau [was] outraged [he said]:“This is something intelligence can’t tolerate.”
Impeccable timing in turns of yomei teshuva and the war .. YWN front page has a tweet from another supporter who starts his tweets with “b ezrat Hashem” and talks about “zionist regime”. You are keeping a good company.
What about NK?
Do they deserve “Ahavat Chinam”?Only secular Israelis deserve that, right?
We can all hate and curse (an actual issur doraysa) NK, because Ahavat Chinam doesn’t apply to them, right?
The Neturei Karta and co are reshaim because they very openly rile up anti-semitic crowds and use their “Judaism” to give a hechser on people like Sinwar and their behavior. It isn’t hard to find them speaking out in support and praise of groups and people that even in the non-Jewish world are considered mass murders. They preach a new Torah that Palestinian Nationalism is Judaism. And unlike most IDF soldiers they can not even claim to be tinokos s’nisba. Although Rav Yaakov Kamenetzky said the NK is Rodfim over forty years ago, as someone who grew up reading their literature they weren’t anywhere nearly as radical back then.
Another general point to realize is that (like Chazal say about Hashem himself) people are much more accepting of the faults of people who are humble and mind their own business than people who are arrogant, self righteous, always angry, always looking to bad mouth others who thrive on conflict, aggression and incitement etc. The latter describes the NK. That is part of why they are hated so much.
It’s important to note how serious hatred is. The big 3 averios were responsible for destroying the first Beis HaMikdash while sinas chinam alone was responsible for the second- a galus that we’re still in. Chilonim may violate aveiros (and presumably not the big 3), but their dedication to sacrifice everything they hold dear to stand in between us and our enemies is the exact opposite of sinas chinam and probably a greater zechus then you give credit for. Neturei Karta may be fulfilling every other mitzvah, and they may even have good intentions for the things they do wrong, but aligning themselves with genocidal terrorists who want to massacre and destroy is is the greatest show of sinas chinam then I can think of. It’s the most destructive thing a Jew can do and I can think of no greater Chilul Hashem. Hopfully the zechusim of holy soldiers, both Dati and Chiloni, will be able to outweigh the terrible damage that Neturei Karta does to our people. May we all have a year of safety, security, health, happiness, Ahavas Yisroel and Avodas HaShem.
So the zionists who scream and yell at those who disagree or dont support zionism, thrive on conflict (the holocaust and Oct 7), and curse NK, we are supposed to not hate them,
@smerel ?>>>So the zionists who scream and yell at those who disagree or dont support zionism, thrive on conflict (the holocaust and Oct 7), and curse NK, we are supposed to not hate them,
This is just another NK caricature of a made up enemy. “Zionists” do not run around screaming and yelling at non-Zionists. They do not look to attend anti-Zionist events to fight with anti-Zionist. etc. They do not thrive off the holocaust and Oct 7 (I’m not even sure what that is supposed to mean) I will not respond further to someone who is so consumed by hate that he is removed from reality.
If you have specific common incidents of “zionists” looking to stir up hate similar to the way the NK speaks at their pro Hamas rallies then I will address them if you tell me that you are looking for an answer and not just an excuse to spew more accusation about the “zionists”
When most have Hamas etc in mind when pleading with Hashem to destroy our enemies and some people have the IDF in mind that’s a big problem. This anti zionist thing is totally out of hand. Every Jew sins. Niture karta literally hope and pray for the destruction of Israel. It’s not the same thing.
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