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September 26, 2024 1:18 pm at 1:18 pm #2318938yechiellParticipant
If Trump wins, chas v’sholom, he plans to drop sending arms to the Ukraine.
How many weeks before he does the same to Israel?
I shudder at the thought.
Go Kamalah, go !September 26, 2024 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2319011akupermaParticipant“America First” means foreign countries LAST. Remember that Russia, China, Iran and North Korea are allied. There already are Russian troops stationed in Syria (referenced in reports of foreign troops supporting Hebzolah in Syria ready to enter Lebanon and fight the Israelis). If Trump wins, he will give much sympathy for Israel, but nothing that will meaningfully stop the Russia/Iran/China axis from attacking. And remember that Israel is hopelessly outnumbered, and receives a large amount of its arms from the Americans. Of course one could hope for a miracle, perhaps in zechus of Israel cracking down on Torah education, banning abortions and LGBTQ, etc. (I am being sarcastic). The Israeli might be able to survive if they give up their first world standard of living (which many if not most Israeli Hareidim don’t enjoy), and are prepared to fight without American aid – but that might be too little, too late.
While Kamala (and her movement, the WOKE Progressive wing of the Democrats) only hate Israel, they are not likely to meaningfully oppose the “axis” since they prefer to focus on domestic matters and WOKE policies, rather than rebuild national defenses which have been seriously weakening for the last 16 years, so if those who depend on the United States in Europe or Asia which to survive, they need to be prepared to make the sacrifices necessary to defeat their enemies.
September 26, 2024 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2319030GadolhadorahParticipantVus is de chiddush??
Trump has ALWAYS been transactional and never principled. He has never claimed otherwise.
Does anyone remember how he violently turned 180* on Bibi right after lost the election and used obscenities in castigating him as “disloyal” for calling Biden to offer congratulations. Trump will support those who feed his insatiable ego and serve his interests but will throw them under the bus (and back it up a few times) the minute he feels a threat or lack of sufficient adulation.
Now he is already setting American Jews up for blame if he loses (along with his endless unsubstantiated claims of a “rigged” election”)
But of course, he has Jewish children and grandchildren so they will control his worst instincts. Of course…..September 26, 2024 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2319034ujmParticipantAmerica never had a more pro-Israel president than Donald J. Trump.
September 26, 2024 3:37 pm at 3:37 pm #2319039crazykanoiyParticipantYou raise a very true point. But MAGA people will never face reality.
September 26, 2024 3:38 pm at 3:38 pm #2319042fandango443ParticipantTrump would’ve forced a crappy ceasefire agreement like the Bush admin did in 06. Trump cut off CIA aid to the Syrian rebels allowing Iran to take over the whole area. And Reagan sold weapons to Iran and called Israel bombing Beirut a “Holocaust”
Republicans aren’t the Zionists you think they are. I know it’s difficult to admit but the party of Homosexuals And Negroes are the ones who actually support the state of Israel.
September 27, 2024 10:01 am at 10:01 am #2319068fandango443ParticipantPresident Kamala Harris will destroy Russian imperialism and free Iran. This will make things much easier for Israel in the future.
September 27, 2024 10:01 am at 10:01 am #2319082GadolhadorahParticipantTrump just said in his Trump Tower news conference that Israeli operations against Hamas and Hezbolah have to end “NOW” and that just like Ukraine, he has a secret plan that will stop all the fighting within hours of taking office. Aside from repeating his claim that October 7th would never have happened he says nothing about assuring that Hezbolah will be unable to continue its daily attacks on the North. Reporters tried several times to get any details about his peace plans but he simply repeated his usual sound bites.
September 27, 2024 10:01 am at 10:01 am #2319109Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantYou don’t need to judge T’s future policies by campaign. He already has a record. And so does, sort of, K.
T’s pattern is – as Gadol says above – transactional. It has both a positive and a negative sides. Positive – he is looking to resolve the issue, get a better bargain, including getting feedback from his advisers. Negative – his calculus might change. But I don’t think this is so different from others, he is just less polished, or cares less, about niceties.
K’s pattern is – to say anything. She accused Biden of not letting her (daughter of two academics) to get on a bus to school. Then, she becomes his VP and has no visible impact on his policies. Then, she does not notice that President has mental problems. She seems to have been on both sides of any issue, except abortion, thru her life. Based o just this one issue, one can presume that she is liberal at core.
So, is there a risk with T? Sure, more in Ukraine than in Israel. Some suggest that he was listening to advisers more earlier but may be more self-assured now. But there is an upside also. With K, there is only downside.
September 27, 2024 10:02 am at 10:02 am #2319156crazykanoiyParticipantTrump.cant stop praising Hungary’s Victor Orban. Orban has enabled Putin and Iran. He has allowed Hungarian companies to aid Iran..This is who Trump hails as a strong leader.
September 27, 2024 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #2319227follick2ParticipantTrump was just telling Iran that he wants to negotiate a new treaty with them if he is re-elected.
September 27, 2024 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm #2319230smerelParticipantWhatever Trump will do he won’t talking about and certainly not actually refusing to SELL arms to Israel like Biden and Harris do.
Putting that aside Trump didn’t just decide to drop Ukraine, Firstly Trump was probably right years ago when he said that Ukraine would not be in a war to begin with had they not been talking about joining NATO and that in the absence of any actual conflict moving hostile soldiers closer to a countries borders (like NATO was doing to Russia) is far more likely to cause a war than prevent one. Secondly Zelensky should have had a little more sechel and not ran around campaigning for Democrats in Pennsylvania, told the the The New yorker magazine that JD Vance is too radical etc. and then think that Trump (of all people!) is not going to go after him for it. Israel is unlikely to make the same mistakes.
As an aside the Democrats impeach Trump over a Ukraine phone call but then have the gall to bring Zelensky to essentially campaign for Harris and co in swing state Pennsylvania
September 28, 2024 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #2319358modernParticipantVance voted against aid to Ukraine, Israel, and Taiwan shortly before Turmp named him as his running mate.
The Trump team is telling Arab Americans in Michigan that Harris is too supportive of Israel.
Trump surrendered Afghanistan to the Taliban. Before then, he had thrown the Kurds and the pro-democracy forces in Syria under the bus. He has said that he would not mind if Putin overran US NATO allies.
It was Trump who greenlighted unlimited uranium enrichment for Iran when he killed the deal that forced Iran to allow international weapons inspections. He imposed sanctions, but knew that they would be ignored because his buddy Putin is an ally of Iran who assists it in sanctions evasion.
Trump doesn’t hate Jews. But neither did Ramsay MacDonald, Stanley Baldwin, or Neville Chamberlain, all of whom thought Hitler yemach shemo could be appeased. But Trump is clearly an ally of Putin and either doesn’t understand that Putin and the Mullahs are like Hitler and Mussolini or doesn’t care. And note also that Mussolini didn’t hate Jews either.
September 28, 2024 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #2319360modernParticipant‘”America First” means foreign countries LAST.’
America First meant preventing the US from preparing to counter our enemies or helping our friends. Basically it meant foreign totalitarian regimes first. Trump continues in that with his praise for Putin, Xi, and Kim, and his open support of Putin’s aggression. Trump isn’t Neville Chamberlain he is Oswald Mosley.
September 28, 2024 10:07 pm at 10:07 pm #2319361modernParticipant“the party of Homosexuals And Negroes are the ones who actually support the state of Israel.”
Congressman Ritchie Torres is an openly Gay Afro-Latino Progressive Democrat. There is no stonger supporter than Torres in the House of Representatives.
September 28, 2024 10:09 pm at 10:09 pm #2319364GadolhadorahParticipant“Whatever Trump will do he won’t talking about and certainly not actually refusing to SELL arms to Israel….”
And you know that because?? In the past 24 hours he has said that “the war” in the middle east has to “stop NOW”. How does he “stop the war now” when Bibi just said at the UN that EY will keep on fighting until the ultimate defeat of Hamas and Hezbolah. Stopping offensive weapon sales is the only way the U.S. has to coerce a quick end to the war if that is what the new president intends on doing.
September 29, 2024 9:37 am at 9:37 am #2319598modernParticipant“Trump.cant stop praising Hungary’s Victor Orban.”
Perhaps worse, Trump is still supporting the Holocaust denier self declared Nazi for Governor of North Carolina. And Trump is still in the lead in the polls there. He is getting support from Arabs in Michigan by having his surrogates clsim that Kamala Harris is too supportive of Israel. He doesn’t hate Jews but will throw Jews under the bus whenever he thinks it will benefit him.
September 29, 2024 1:24 pm at 1:24 pm #2319858fandango443ParticipantThe state of Israel is better off with the Democratic party controlling the executive branch, even if no one here wants to believe it. The international right and left wings are both at war with Israel as well as the Democratic Party. Also they’re connected through Putin and Assad.
I wish Biden/Harris were better at communicating to American Jews, but don’t let perfect be the enemy of the good.
September 29, 2024 11:56 pm at 11:56 pm #2320029ujmParticipantHungary’s Viktor Orban is the best friend the State of Israel has anywhere in Europe.
October 6, 2024 2:31 pm at 2:31 pm #2321810fandango443ParticipantOrban is allied with Putin and Assad, so that’s obviously false.
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