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Trump is questioning the 13 soldiers dying in Afghanistan, for how many COVID deaths is he responsible for downplaying in the beginning the affect of ir?
1,000,000 Americans died to covid.
Trump, for his total lack of leadership, like telling his rallies that masks are not necessary, is responsible for most of those deaths.
And that’s a fact, maga fanatics.Now he wants to ‘honor’ the mob that beat up, and, yes, killed policemen at the Capitol on Jan 6
What a piece of work, he is.
Tzibbelis zollen vaks auf zein pipick !Trump initially bought the COVID hoax and claimed all sorts of emergency powers. However the distortion of medical resources is probably what killed most people. By treating COVID as an existential crisis, regular medical care was disrupted (e.g. in person doctor visits, access to ERs, treatments that required using hospital resources). After the data came out that only a small percentage of people infected actually became ill, and almost all recovered without medical intervention, and that the fatalities were primarily old people who were in poor health to begin with – Trump back down for supporting the extreme measures the civil servants were enacting but wasn’t able to disrupt it. He should be blamed for not stopping the shutdowns and for not ending the emergency declaration.
akuperma
and black is white and white is blacklaskern,
Your idol, the useless turd Brandon, is directly responsible for the COVID deaths of over 731,000 Americans during his presidency.
gadolhadofi
what’s a dofi?
what’s a laskern?
what’s a brandon?
why do they print your inane nonsense?You dumbo rats are really funny
But hey it’s a mental disease
Of course, Trumps team developed vaccines at unprecedented speed and started distribution, better than other countries. Certainly he is not the only one responsible, but it is no doubt that his business skills served the country and the world well.
You may keep strong opinion on other issues but this is undeniable. You can read a book by Pfizer ceo who is no friend of Trump if you are not sure.yechiell: the government already admitted that they count as “died of Covid” someone who died of something else but whose corpse tested positive for Covid. And according to the official statistics, most death were older people who were dying of something to begin with. As early as March 2020, random testing revealed that the overwhelming number of people who tested positive for Covid did not get seriously ill. They should have limited to “shutdown” to old people and those with serious conditions (which made them at risk for flu). Note that the vaccine did not significantly reduce the chance of testing positive for COVID, which is why most people became skeptical of it (though it did reduce the already small possibility of dying from Covid).
Other the the initial “emergency” powers he claimed, Trump did the right thing by encouraging research and development of a vaccine. He made a big mistake in allowing the massive shutdowns which required massive federal handouts, which led to inflation (conveniently, after he left office, and for which the Democratic Congress was equally to blame)
Biden tried to force as many people as possible to get the vaccine, which may have harmed millions of other Americans.
It was somewhat understandable that people were concerned about vaccine safety during the emergency and were not able to balance great measurable benefits with way smaller potential side effects. If someone continues holding these way till now several years and billions of doses later, either they can point to specific medical work that supports their views or they are at total disbelief in anything that comes from official sources and prefer to believe Chinese and Russian online bots.
akuperma,
you don;t need to speculate about “with/from” any more – there are solid numbers of actual deaths by country/state/county over several years that can help you count actual effect of covid. These might indeed conflate deaths from covid and deaths from anti-covid measures (isolation, vaccines, zoom call boredom, speeding on empty roads, work from home marital murders), but these can probably be separated by looking at ages and clear death causes (drugs, murders, car accidents). So, if you have a position to state, you could support them by numbers rather than “your numbers are suspects”
> who were dying of something to begin with
Of course, disregarding life at any age is not a Jewish position. If you want to count years of life, this is already reflected in death and longevity statistics> federal handouts, which led to inflation (conveniently, after he left office, and for which the Democratic Congress was equally to blame)
Not equally. Trump’s handouts had an economic reason, whether he addressed it optimally or not; Dems just used the crisis to pursue their favorite policies. It is easy to criticize what happened, but you can also compare with what “might have happened”. Without handouts, who knows what economic displacements could have happened.
I just took world bank report on post-covid economy. I looked at GDP relative to 2019 for 12 countries including USA, China, Canada, Israel and large European countries.
In 2020, US was 6th out of 12, right in the middle – 97.2% with 6 countries with very similar results. China was best 102% (to the degree we can trust Chinese numbers). Worst were Canada 95% France 92%, Italy 91% Britain 89%, Spain 89%
In 2021 (relative to 2019), US is 4th (103% – recovered) after China – 1st 110%, Israel and Switzerland 106%.
Spain is 94, Brit 96, Germany, France 99 …This concludes the time that Trump had influence on. So, it is between average (if you look only at 2020) and above average.
US is 5th in 2022 (106%) and back to 4th for 2023 and projected to 2024 and 2025, so Biden’s policies stayed the course – same slow growth as others (1% per year).
In 2024, the best for 4 years are China 120% and Israel 117%. Switzerland 110%, Sweden 106% like US.
Most European countries are at 100% – that is they are now at 2019 level!Trump is not responsible for killing thousands of COVID people. Let’s dig ourselves out of the sand and wake up and FACE REALITY
Klal yisroel is responsible for every person niftar Rachmana litzlan during COVID with millions niftar including thousands of them yidden.
We all know what The Rambam says אין פוראניות בא בעולם אלא בשביל ישראל, “there are no Tragedies in the world except because of “כלל ישראל even if there are no yidden involved it’s always a wake up call message DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM directly to his loving children Klal yisroel.
DOES ANYONE EVEN REMEMBER HASHEMS SHOCKING MESSAGE FROM THE CORONA VIRUS PANDEMIC MAGEIFA? WHICH could’ve been completely avoided if klal yisroel had only accepted Hashems wake up call BEFORE THE MAGEIFA STARTED for serious Teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can send Mashiach. But sadly we chose to continue living in denial as we do today almost 5 years later.
THE SHOCKING MESSAGE DIRECTLY FROM HASHEM
every tragedy has a wake up call message directly from Hashem that your not going to find in any sefer in the world or read in any newspaper from a Gadol Hador or speaker saying about the tragedy. What is the shocking message of the Coronavirus Pandemic-that shut down the entire world starting January 2020-that has already killed millions of innocent lives of all ages, with thousands of them being Yidden Rachmana Litzlan? what does Coronavirus mean? Kara-Na-Aveiros,, call out to your aveiros-my loving children klal yisroel-to wake up & do teshuva. But the message from Hashem doesn’t end there, what’s the other name for Coronavirus that everyone calls it? i forgot, Covid, what does that mean? what does Covid/Honor do to a person? what does it say in Pirkei Avos? it removes a person from the world, & that’s exactly what Covid is doing right now, its removing millions of people from the world thousands of them Yidden Rachmana Litzlan as we are still in the midst of this terrible mageifa effecting the ENTIRE world. Let us all ask ourselves who made it be called these crazy names? Dr. Fauci in the White House? where does it come from? the dictionary? is this just coincidence or is it a straight sign & direct message from Hashem that its time for all of klal yisroel to wake up & do teshuva? you think about this.I daven to Hashem that we finally wake up and accept Hashems wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can send Mashiach already bkarov. We don’t need WW3 to Chas VShalom shake up the world or for this country of the USA to be destroyed for us to get Hashems wake up call…..
“If you did not get ill, you still have to protect others by taking the vaccine”
The problem is that the vaccine had many risks as well; it is not acceptable to force millions of people to take a new vaccine which could have tons of risks and side effects, in order to possibly protect other people; and that’s besides the fact that research now shows they did not even prevent the spread of the virus. you could look this last part up.
“Trumps team developed vaccines at unprecedented speed and started distribution,”
Trump fired the guy in charge. And it was more Fauci’s team that helped with the development of the Moderna vaccine. However, the Pfizer vaccine was developed with no government assistance and it was available earlier. Trump refused to allow Moderna’s vaccine to be sent out of the US even though he did NOT have a distribution plan. Pfizer sent huge quantities of its vaccine to Israel, angering Trump and saving lots of Jewish lives. Albert Bourla is the greatest living Jew.
“The problem is that the vaccine had many risks as well;”
No it didn’t. Huge clinical trials proved that neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna had major side effects.
Those who refused vaccines are still dying at a higher rate. Arizona has a Democratic Attorney General today because more Republicans than Democrats refused the vaccine — partly because the previous AG was a COVID disinformationist. Killing off your voters is bad campaign strategy. And the new Democratic AG has indicted a bunch of Trump cronies. Junk science has consequences.
“Trump is questioning the 13 soldiers dying in Afghanistan, for how many COVID deaths is he responsible for downplaying in the beginning the affect of ir?”
Well Justin Trudeau didn’t downplay anything and Canada’s COVID death rate was 60 percent lower than the US. Had the US had Canada’s death rate, 700,000 fewer Americans would still still be with us. As the US is about 2 percent Jewish, that translates to well over ten thousand unnecessarily dead Jews. Only in his wildest dreams would Sinwar imagine that he could be responsible for so many dead Jews.
modern,
Over 731,000 Americans died of COVID under Brandon’s murderous presidency.
Reb E,
What exactly did Trump do to have COVID-19 deaths attributed to his presidency?
What could have been done differently?
I’m asking this as a frontline healthcare process that tried its best to manage many sick people, with the treatment modalities available at the time, who contracted the virus from other people and were severely impacted.
The federal government came through and delivered everything that was requested. Hospital policy, treatment protocols, and community guidelines were done on a state and local level.
@modern
the one(s) responsible for the most deaths, especially Jewish deaths, was neither Trump, nor Fauci, nor Biden. Hands down, it was HaRasha HaMerusha Andrew Cuomo ymshv”z. [I think De Blasio as well, but I can’t remember.]
And they were labeled “Covid deaths” for fun.modern > Pfizer sent huge quantities of its vaccine to Israel, angering Trump and saving lots of Jewish lives. Albert Bourla is the greatest living Jew.
Bourla has a book out. He is obviously not politically aligned with either Trump or Bibi. He is a little evasive on several issues, such as refusing to go to Israel when his visit would be politically helpful to Bibi, not going to early meetings that Trump had with industry leaders. Even with that, he mentions great attitudes of both Bibi who convinced him to prioritize Israel, and Trump and Kushner. In one episode, he had some slowdowns from medical admins, and while he was thinking how to solve the problem, he got a call from Kushner who heard from someone else about the problem, asked Bourla to clarify the issue, and the problem disappeared the next day.
> Huge clinical trials proved that neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna had major side effects.
clinical trials suggested that side effects are not likely and any chance will be less than benefit as a public policy. Actual experience with billions of users are a bigger proof (including tweaks with some of the European vaccines on doses).
modern > Well Justin Trudeau didn’t downplay anything and Canada’s COVID death rate was 60 percent lower
comparing rates across nations is complicated due to different health profiles, travel patterns, and social customs. Canada is built upon loyalists who preferred a steady hand of the king to a turbulent revolution. And a vastly smaller country with isolated settlements. Most states were following their governors anyway. The way to estimate possible Trump negative effect would be to look at health differences between R-s and D-s. Some of this effect (that exists) can be seen as Trump’s fault. You also seem to be counting deaths under Biden as Trump’s fault.
I myself was guilty accusing Biden of cynical statement when he came to power that “he did not find any vaccines”, rather than acknowledging what Trump did. It is now clear this was not a political stunt, just an early sign of cognitive decline. Maybe Dr Jill should have helped. Still, does not excuse that there were as many or more deaths under Biden – his admin dismantled all the task forces and further Covid spikes were managed same way Afghanistan, Ukraine, and Hamastan are managed…
“Those who refused vaccines are still dying at a higher rate”
I’m sorry but that’s a bunch of bs
The virus has become so much more tamer because of the mutations not because of vaccines
coffee > The virus has become so much more tamer because of the mutations not because of vaccines
while general theory says that viruses are generally mutating to weaker versions, that may not be true early on. For example, delta was worse than original Wuhan and Bidenistas were not prepared for that. but I did not see that later versions are milder, it is just accumulated immunity both from both vaccines and infections. With most of population exposed, their next infection produces less viruses and also the asymptomatic period decreases.
See, for example, devastating effect of European viruses on Native Americans. Lack of immunity is the most important factor.
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