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Sinas Chinum is seeing other people doing aveiros and it doesn’t bother you.
(I think this is brought down in the Yalkut Shlomo, perhaps from earlier Seforim HaKedoshim.)
Baseless hatred, which Interprets to hating your loving brother when it can be avoided and is not necessary to come to the level of hate, versus sitting down with your loving Jewish brother that your currently having an issue with -rather it’s a financial or a family issue etc…. -and working something out together wholeheartedly and stay loving brothers together.
Whenever someone speaks out against people doing aveiros they are immediately bombarded with “it’s sinus chinum” . No, that is not sinas chinum. Sinas chinum is leftist Jews speaking on social media and mainstream media against Jews defending themselves, sinas chinum is Neturei Karta consorting with our enemies.
The Yad Yosef on Yamo 9, explains that sinas chinam is an inexcusable hatred, like jealousy where you cannot tell a person, I hate you because I am jealous of you, so the hated is kept bottled up in the heart and never resolved. The Bimah Leitim says that at the first chorban the hatred was revealed but the second it was hidden. On the outside one showed liking but the hatred was kept in the heart.
UJM, I never heard that before, but it could still be true.
UJM, If you want us to accept what you just said,
then you must give us the exact source where it is located.Until then, you might be interested in reading these two
definitions of Sinat Chinam, that I researched a long time ago:==========================================
Tehillim, chapter 69, verse 5:
“Greater than the numbers of hairs on my head,
are those who hate me without cause…”Metsudath David on this verse explains:
people hated him [David], even though he never harmed any of them.If I read this Metsudath David correctly, he seems to imply that
the definition of Sinat Chinam is hating someone who never harmed you.==========================================
Rabbi Binny Freedman said:
The Talmud tells us that the second Temple was destroyed
through blind, wanton hatred, or sinat chinam. It is difficult
to understand how any hatred can ever be chinam,
which seems to mean “for no reason at all.”The Netziv suggests that this wanton hatred refers to
disliking or even detesting someone because their views are different.SOURCE: article titled: “Jewish people have a different set of priorities”
by Rabbi Binny Freedman, 2022 July 13, www (dot) TheJewishStar (dot) com==========================================
If anyone has more definitions of Sinat Chinam,
with exact sources, then we are all eager to read them.The Netziv (introduction to Haamek Davar on Bereishis, and SHU”T Meishiv Davar #44) says the sinas chinam that destroyed the 2nd BHM was the phenomenon of tzadikim and talmidei chachamim suspecting their colleagues – whose opinions or practices were different from their own – of being “Tzedukim and heretics”, and hating them for it. This eventually led to actual bloodshed.
The Netziv then says “HKBH cannot tolerate such tzadikim”.
Judging by what we know about those times, it likely refers to faction-based hate. In other words, hate that feeds on itself, as opposed to being angry at someone because of something — which can be resolved or forgotten over time.
Maybe this gives an understanding of the Binah Leotim. The chorban came helo hochichu ze es ze. He says that the people didn’t want to listen as they did not admonish each other but the rest of the Jews. This would explain according to the Netziv above why they didn’t admonish each other as they thought that they were heretics.
Rabbi Steven Pruzansky of Teaneck and Modiin said:
“Sinat Chinam is hatred that is self-destructive,
a hatred in which the hater is so passionate and
irrational in his hatred that he does not care
if he himself is destroyed by that hatred.That was the hatred of Kamtza and Bar Kamtza
in the Gemara’s woeful tale, in which Bar Kamtza
preferred to inform on his own people –
and bring out his and his nation’s ruin –
rather than endure a petty personal humiliation.”SOURCE: article titled: “Hatred – Baseless and Otherwise”,
by Rabbi Steven Pruzansky, 2021 June 30, www dot RabbiPruzansky dot comI don’t thing Bar Kamtza was the prototypical Jew. There was obviously something wrong with the guy. I’ve seen some Sefarim pointing out the environment in which this took place, that allowed for friends and enemies. But regardless, the point of t hat whole Sugya was not to show the Sinas Chinam, but to show how a small thing can bring about calamity in dangerous times. Hence the opening: אשרי אדם מפחד תמיד.
Sinas Chinam is by definition not something that I hate
It says in Derech Mitzvosecha each yid has a role as a body part in klal yisrael. Sinas Chinam causes a yid to spiritually cut himself off from having the body part he hates, effectively creating a spiritual mum in himself. Just like a Korban wasn’t accepted by a kohen doing the avodah with a mum, when someone who holds baseless hatred in his heart for another yid has his davening rejected.
Interesting, R Yochanan seems to be assigning blame for BHM2 destruction twice – once to Bar Kamtza (it is not clear to me whether it is him continuing this sentence from before or stam Gemorah) and then to Rabbi Zekharya ben Avkolas who was too humble to let his chaverim speak.
Why two possible explanations? Both are allegories to certain behaviors in that generation, and it seems to me that both are actually the same – Rabbi Zekharya ben Avkolas shows similar attitude to Kamtza story: people talk past each other and are not able to hear other opinions.
Square-root, that describes the thought process of leftist Jewish Jew haters and NK’s.
Should be above shelo hochichu ze es ze.
Its whatever has kept Moishiach from coming and delayed the z’man of the geulah. The various definitions, inyanim, darashos etc. and the multiple meanings that can be brought down from Chazal help inform but do not provide a definitive solution that will find acceptance among all segments of the tzibur.
The Mehrrsha says that Kamtza and ;Bar Kamtza was a father and son.
https://torahanytime.com/lectures/246166
Sinat Chinam- A Nation of Individuals vs A Nation as a Herd
by R’ Sholom Ahron Ehrenfeldsinas chinam is hating someone for any reason besides for the following specific case:
that if one sees his friend sinning, he should hate him,
This applies only
1) to one’s companion—one’s equal—in the study of Torah and the observance of the mitzvot.
2) He has also fulfilled with him—with the sinner—the injunction, “You shall repeatedly rebuke your friend.” The word used here for “your friend” (עֲמִיתֶךָ) also indicates, as the Talmud points out, עַם שֶׁאִתְּךָ—“he who is on a par with you in the Torah and the mitzvot,” who, nevertheless, has not repented of his sin, as it is written in Sefer Charedim.
BUT as to one who is not his companion—his equal—in the Torah and the mitzvot so that (as our Sages say concerning the ignorant in general) even his deliberate transgressions are regarded as inadvertent acts, since he is unaware of the gravity of sin, nor is he on intimate terms with him,—not only is one not enjoined to hate him, on the contrary Of this situation, Hillel said, “Be one of the disciples of Aharon, loving peace and pursuing peace, loving creatures and drawing them near to the Torah.”This usage of the term “creatures” in reference to human beings means that even those who are far from G‑d’s Torah and His service, for which reason they are classified simply as “creatures”—indicating that the fact that they are G‑d’s creations is their sole virtue—even those, one must attract with strong cords of love.
FURTHERMORE , even those whom one is enjoined to hate—for they are close to him, and he has rebuked them, but they still have not repented of their sins—one is obliged to love them too.
(tanya perek 32)I think when a yid or a kehila has a hanhaga that people don’t like and they bash.
And in response mkoros are offered to defend such hanhaga.
Continuing to bash is in the geder or sinas chinum.
If I remember correctly, Rabbi Avrahom Yitzchok HaKohen Cook [ZTL & ZYA]
famously taught that:“Since the Beth HaMikdash was destroyed by Sinat Chinam,
the Beth HaMikdash can only be rebuilt by Ahavat Chinam,”
(Or something very similar to that.)Please forgive me for not providing an exact source for this very important quote.
Criticism without hate, by definition CANNOT be Sin’at hinam.
It cannot be that the lame excuse of sin’at hinam should be employed as an answer to legitimate questions, and obvious contradictions.Legitimate questions and obvious contradictions deserve serious and to the point answers and explanations, and not flippant responses which many times totally ignore the actual points raised.
To top off the inadequate answers with bogus claims of sin’at hinam, is in itself an incriminating indictment regarding the qualitative poverty of said answers.I myself , a former supporter and naive victim of its propaganda, harbor no hate whatsoever against habad , nor against the hasidim of habad.
Nevertheless I do criticize their ideology and theology. Without hate.If something is wrong, it is not hate to say that it is wrong.
Judaism is full of criticism.
Beit Shamai criticized Beit Hillel severely and are nowhere accused of sin’at hinam as a result.
And the list of similar examples across history can go on and on.Aderaba, it is incumbent on the criticized to supply adequate answers and explanations lekayem ‘vihiyitem neki’im mehashem umiyisrael’.
@square root
So when will klal yisroel get the message from Hashem from almost 2000 years ago that we can’t expect Mashiach to come if the Sinas chinam today is worse than when the second Bais hamikdosh was destroyed because of sinas chinam? And instead work on improving ourselves on Ahavas chinam showing Hashem our love for every yid in Klal yisroel no matter what kind of jew or level of yiddishkeit they are on but they are all our loving brethren. And this will show our loving father Hashem that klal yisroel is ready and worthy for the coming of Mashiach already bkarov.
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