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Avira, you write: “It is true that the brisker rov and his talmidim did not stress rhe shvuos; they focused more on how twisted nationalism was, the עקירת הדעת that it champions, its “new” jew who is not a galus yid, its high casualties in terms of deaths…

But rav chaim soloveitchik said repeatedly that zionism is indeed avodah zara. Rav elchonon wrote that many times too.”

But all this doesn’t apply anymore.

HaLeiVi: Of course it still applies. There’s no reason it would have stopped applying. The Zionists are still around. The so-called religious Zionists are still around. And they both still advocate everything they advocated before the State (other than creating a State). The State exists, but the reason Gedolei Yisroel called Zionism as being Avoda Zora was hardly only because they wanted to establish a State.