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smerel
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>>>It’s also interesting how communities which minimize nissim and believe in “rationalism,” castigating Torah jews as backwards, and denying things like golems or stories of mofsim performed by tzadikim, are happy to accept nissim performed for a mixed gender army of mechalelei shabbos.

Of course the converse is also true….

In Satmar they celebrate 21 Kislev every year with total disregard for who were the one who arranged that “Nes Hatzlalah” Because they correctly perceive as being done on behalf of the Satmar Rebbe and not the people who they passionately hate who arranged it . Ditto when anyone else see nissim in Israeli wars. They see it as on behalf of Klal Yisroel.

There however certain militant secularists and atheists who refuse to see Yad Hashem. They have ood company in some of the anti-Zionist zealots.

Saying that “whoever thinks our victory in the six day way was because God intervened on our behalf is mistaken, it was all our superior strength and planning” is no more acceptable haskafa when coming from Yitzchok Rabin than when coming from Yakov Shapiro in The Empty Wagon. The difference is that Yitzchok Rabin was a tinok shnasba speaking to other tinokos snisbu. The Empty Wagon is meant to influence the frum world…

In the antizionist propaganda literature that I saw dropped in shul a few weeks ago there was the claim that the Israel stays around in these situations because of the Sitra Achra . Rav Shlomo Lorincz wrote in B’Mictasom that he asked the Brisker Rav what he thinks of that approach. The Brisker Rav said that it is ASSUR to say such things because it attributes to much independent power to the Soton over Ratzon Hashem.