@ yankel berel so you heard from your close relative something that makes no sence (i dont want to repeat such apikorsos)edited–ironic but motzei shem rah
this rabbi wrote up his personal encounter.
you can choose which one to believe.
Rabbah declared: “I, for example, am a beinoni.” Said Abbaye to him, “Master, you make it impossible for any creature to live….”
Abbaye argued thus: “If you are a beinoni, then all those on a lower level than you fall into the category of the wicked, concerning whom our Sages say:9 ‘The wicked, even while alive, are considered dead.’ By calling yourself a beinoni, you thus make it impossible for anyone to live.”
if the rebbe wasn’t a gadal, who was?