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yankel berel
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Btw. That wasn’t the only major flip flop in habad theology .
Think you asked in one the old threads about it :

For years – no, for decades . For decades there was a major Mahloket .
There were those , mainly Yeshivish , led by Rav Shach and other Litvish Yeshivish Rashei Yeshivot who accused Habad of crowning their manhig as mashiach . This was going on for decades . From the sixties onwards . Until the late Eighties .
This was one of the main bones of contention in those times .
I know , not because I heard about it . I LIVED through those times .
I remember them , vividly .
it was the Hasidi Olam [non Habad ] who came to the rescue , in favor of habad. They battled the Yeshivishers . The Litvish Balabatish people were also on the hasidi side . They did not understand what the yeshivish people saw in habad .

Btw – This was one of the main arguments in the 88 election cycle where Aguda and Degel split . Aguda and the hasidim vehemently defended habad against the false [at the time] accusations that habad is aiming to crown their rebbi as mashiach .
Hotsa’at shem ra ! An avla against habad , ehrlich people ! how can you accuse them of these irresponsible shtuyot voiced by some irresponsible hotheads . This is against their rebbi’s shitah . Against the hozer rashi R kahn . Those Yeshivishers are stam haters [sounds familiar? ] . Sin’at Hinam .
They are the source of the galut . Etc. Etc.

Another 3 years later – in 1991 .
Suddenly the rebbi accepts his messiahship from his hasidim and R Kahn falls in line . All habad rabbanim sign kabalat malhut …..
WHAT HAPPENED ?

for Decades the habad critics were derided [Heard those accusations already in the sixties] .
And were PROVEN RIGHT in the most spectacular u turn in Jewish history .
That itself was already an excellent lesson in who has a hazaka , and who lost his hazaka ……
Heard some rumblings then from the klal hasidi side . How they defended for years the indefensible .

But from the habad side ? Only bliss .
Was the bliss a RESULT of the ignorance ? Hard to believe.

They themselves were screaming themselves hoarse that it [this Messiah aspiration] is all one big libel and a sheker .
Ela Mai the bliss was ‘made up ignorance’ they simply decided to ignore it .

Which in turn created real ignorance .
For the later generation.
Am sure CS won’t even know what I am talking about , all the while this was a clear reality I [and my generation] lived through .

Mind boggling …