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CS: “1) no one said that bracha, and see what I said about bar kochba”

You claim that the Lubavicher rebbe fits the Rambam’s criteria, one of which is Mashiach will be a king. So why didn’t anyone – not even the greatest of chassidim – recite the beracha one recites when seeing a king? The obvious, and only, answer is that they didn’t consider him a king, and for a very simple reason… he wasn’t.

Btw I believe that the expression מאן מלכי רבנן does not appear anywhere in Chazal. It is a paraphrasing of something said by an Amora in Gittin 62a, and according to that all Rabbonon are included. Nonetheless we do not find anyone, including the Amora who made the statement, reciting the beracha because even he did not mean that they had the actual status of kings. Proof being that Chazal say that a Rav can be mochel on has kavod but a king cannot. So clearly it is allegorical (that may be the wrong word, but you probably know what I mean).

CS: “the example the Rambam gives as a candidate to be Moshiach was Ben koziba. He wasn’t a king anointed etc, but rather people gathered around him and overtired his instructions”

He may or may not have been anointed, I don’t know, but R Akiva certainly considered him a king because he called him MELECH Hamashiach.
And as far “overtired” is concerned, I think that adjective may apply to a number of people who read this thread 🙂

CS: “2) that’s not in the Rambam s criteria of defining bchezkas Moshiach”

What are you referring to?

CS: “3) did you look up all the sources?”

I looked up ALL the sources you gave from Chazal. I did not look up any sources from the Lubavicher rebbe because I already know that he was the leader of the arrows first system of showing he is Mashiach.
I have said it before, but “Beis Mashiach has the gematria of 770” is so childish that it’s cringeworthy.
Did you know – this is something I heard 50 years ago – that Chamor Bli Daas not only has the initials Chabad but that it too has the gematria of 770? If you want to prove things from childish gematriyos then be my guest.