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sechel83
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some points of the satmer rebbe
1) he writes that the holocaust happened because of yidden transgressed the shvua to go up and conquer eretz yisroel before moshiach comes, and even more they established the medina without torah, and led yidden away from torah, to kfira, minus
2) this prevents moshiach from coming, he brings a gemara אמר רבי חמא בר חנינא אין בן דוד בא עד שתכלה מלכות הזלה מישראל rashi explains עד שתכלה מלכות הזלה – שלא תהא להם שום שולטנות לישראל אפילו שולטנות קלה ודלה:
he also brings that the only zchus we have for the geulah is waiting, and not having a government and not having any benefit from it.
i assume the niturai karta (at least some) base themselves on this.
see at length in veyoel moshe. (if you want to understand chabad’s shita, see מענה חכם from ר’ יואל כהן (you can search for a downloadable pdf on google for both seforim)