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n0mesorah
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Dear Yankel,

I really don’t know much of these statements. They weren’t intended for me and I never met someone who uses these types of proclamations as a reason for what they think or do. If they thought that way, they will use it as ‘proof’ and if they don’t, they dismiss it. These public directives are barely educational and even less reliable.

My position is that there is nothing wrong with Chabad Hashkafah. It is on par with every other group. I have written this over a dozen times. I don’t know why their media is indicative of how they think in their heads. You have to meet real people to see what their actual belief is.

You shouldn’t be inferring from anyone’s silence where their position has already been stated multiple times.

The Lubavitchers have posted their stance. if you want to learn it from it’s source, they will respond. But not everything is teachable on this forum.

The truth is that if you nag Lakewooders on their kollel ideology, or Satmar on their stance on the State of Israel, or Mizrachi on their stance on The State of Israel, or Gur on their Kedushah doctrine, or MO on secular education, you will not get concrete justification either. They aren’t really interested in debating it. It’s something that is important to them as a group, and it won’t survive if it has to be open to constant questioning.

I think that Chabad has the better of the argument here. All the groups I listed claim that this is something that is supposed to be a maxim for all Jews. Despite it having been developed in the past century. Chabad Doctrine is only for a chassidus. They admit that it doesn’t work for outsiders. You can’t be mekabel The Atzmus of The Rebbe idea, if you don’t perceive yiddishkiet as a group project. And the foundation of these ideas are documented from over two hundred years ago.

It is more likely that Chabad is at the stage of crystalizing a part of the Torah for future generations than starting any new movement in yiddishkeit. Just like the Baalei Tosofos of AShkenaz and the mekubalim of Eretz Yisrael had a last generation, Chabad of today and yesterday may be the ones that give Chassidus it’s final format for posterity.

The other groups I mentioned still have a lot to prove. They could all be looked at as outliers to future generations. And it would become a debated topic if it ever really was authentic. The truth is, only Hashem knows what is authentic to the future. I’m just guessing.

If you want to talk Ikkarei Emunah than please do. What Moshiach’s name is, is of no consequence to Ikkarei Emunah. Tcheyas hameisim is.