Reply To: The final word on Moshiach from the meisim (hopefully!)

@any potato your משיח שקר did not say the same thing as דבי ר׳ שילה he said he is בחזקת משיח even though he doesn’t have the סימנים lדבי רבי שילה didn’t say ר׳ שילה was בחזקת משיח. lמשיח could come from the dead just that if someone with a חזקת משיח dies he loses his חזקה because he wasn’t socsesfull in bringing the גאולה. Your right that חזקת משיח doesn’t include bringing the גאולה but it dos include being anointed by Hashem as the גואל ישראל and if he fails to be the גואל ישראל then he loses that status and when someone was proclaimed בחזקת משיח and he announces that he will redeem the Yiddin and then he dies to say he will come back and accomplish it means to believe in a “second coming “ by the way yoshke also didn’t acomplish קיבוץ גלויות nor did he restore the מלכות ישראל to its former stature nor did he try to so “first coming” simply means to consider yourself משיח and anointed by Hashem for the job. דרך אגב the whole thing is irrelevant because your rebbe said that he already started קיבוץ גלויות in the sicah of כ״ד אדר תשנ״ב and there’s a recording of it he also said that 770 is the בית המקדש that משיח has to build or renevate in order to be משיח וודאי so even according to what you’re saying his soposed ״חזקה״ would be בטול because he did say he started the גאולה itself which even according to your resening that would be called a second coming