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There is no repetition at all in the Rambam.

ויכוף כל ישראל לילך בה ולחזק בדקה
He will force all Yidden in the ways of the Torah etc

וילחם מלחמות ה’
He will wage wars of Hahem. Note: a person can wage war and lose, and he can wage war and not yet win those wars. He has still waged wars. So even without winning he can still be הרי זה בחזקת שהוא משיח

Then if he did all that and was successful in defeating all the surrounding nations etc.
אם עשה והצליח ונצח כל האומות שסביביו ובנה מקדש במקומו וקבץ נדחי ישראל הרי זה משיח בודאי

No repetition at all. At first he has to wage wars for the sake of Hashem. That, together with the earlier criteria, make him bechezkas Mashiach. Then when has successfully defeats ALL the surrounding nations and builds the BHMK, he is certainly Mashiach.

One other obvious point that hasn’t yet been stated explicitly. As far as I know, and I’m not a total ignoramus in these matters, the Lubavicher rebbe didn’t force EVEN ONE PERSON or tell anyone to FORCE someone to keep Torah and Mitzvos. So how is he bechezkas Mashiach?

(Just a thought that came to mind. The ones closest, perhaps, to actually forcing Yidden to keep Torah and Mitzvos, are the Satmar Rebbe z”l and the original founders of Neturei Karta. No, I don’t agree with their views or their methods, but technically they are the ones who are trying to use force.)

I think it’s quite sad that someone as lucid and intelligent as you, has been so influenced by Lubavich propaganda that you don’t see the obvious inconsistencies in the claims that you (I assume) have been told over and over and have therefore taken on board. On this thread it is only myself and a few others who point out these inconsistencies, but the ENTIRE frum world rejects Lubavich’s claims about your rebbe’s candidacy. And it’s not based on hatred. It’s based on the ludicrousness of the claims.