Neville Chaim Berlin,
“Like I said earlier on this thread, if there were a change in metzius, I think he would reevaluate. You have not offered up any evidence or theory that there has been such a change. It seems like Brooklyn today is fully analogous to the Brooklyn of his times for these purposes.”
First, get through your head it not a change of a metzius, it was that they lied to Rav Moshe. You just can’t admit, what I have demonstrated time and again, that Rav Moshe was lied to. 1) Rav Moshe was led to believe that Brooklyn’s population at the time was close to 3 million, and that over a million people come into Brooklyn everyday. Besides for the fact that Brooklyn did not have a population of nearly 3 million, the area of Brooklyn is greater than 12 mil by 12 mil, in which case Rav Moshe would not even include the entire population of the borough of Brooklyn in the tally (there was much less than a million people who came into the borough everyday). 2) Rav Moshe was led to believe that both BP and Flatbush contain a population of over shishim ribo. This is factually incorrect, as the population is less than half. 3) Rav Moshe was led to believe that Brooklyn is not encompassed by mechitzos. Who ever made this claim to Rav Moshe was lying through his teeth. The only issue if it is omed 99% or 99.95%. That is correct, I eruv could have been made according to Rav Moshe’s even in his lifetime, and today as well.
“What?! Do you not realize I’ve been the one simply repeating his psak on Brooklyn over and over, while you put your random nonsense in his mouth?”
You can repeat it a thousand times, but you do not know what you are repeating. You are actually relying on kol kories, while I rely on his teshuvos.
“The difference between me and you is you do not know Rav Moshe’s shitos in eruvin”
“No, the difference is that you are so obsessed with Brooklyn having an eruv that the idea of the posek hador not allowing it is too emotionally difficult for you to grasp. So, rather than shaking and crying in a corner, you have created a wild rationalization whereby even he agrees with you despite his well-known stance to the contrary. The rest of us, on the other hand, are mature enough to live in the real world where some people matir things, and others don’t. We pick and lane, and deal with it rather than having to convince ourselves that everyone agrees with us.”
You are not picking a lane. You simply never learnt his teshuvos. It is your opinion and kol kories that you are following. Answer, the above facts, that demonstrate that Rav Moshe was not told the truth about Brooklyn, and then maybe we can talk.
“I am defending the mattrim who argue that even according to Rav Moshe’s shitos an eruv would be allowed for the entire Brooklyn”
“No such group exists. It’s just you, Richmond, and that nutty website.”
No? Just to name a few of those who maintain that Rav Moshe would allow today, 1) The Belzer Dayan, Rav Shlomo Gross. 2) Many members of Rav Tuvia’s kollel. 3) Even Rav Y Roth wrote that he believed that Rav Moshe would allow.
“Unfortunately, most of the anti-eruv debaters”
“”We aren’t anti-eruv. We’re anti misrepresentation.””
Anti misrepresentation, when you do not know what is being misrepresented. You need to go learn the inyan, prior to making these inane statements.