n0mesorah,
“To all the posters who think this is about Rav Moshe using the 2.5M for Flatbush and it’s environs:”
Where does 2.5 million and its environs come into play. Isn’t it intreasting that In Chicago Rav Dovid said that his fathers shita is three million. Frankly I do not care what anyone says. There is no oral halachos here. Rav Moshe wrote his shitos clearly. There is no doubt that his final number was 3 million. Rav Moshe’s shita was a work in progress, and the last two teshuvos on the matter he clearly wrote 3 million. It is obvious you did not know this important piece of information, as you asked me for the citation.
“This is largely because Rav Dovid Feinstein put out such a letter almost twenty years ago. You had fifteen years to correct him. and he was the most approachable person I ever met. (He was aware of your claims. He believed that Brooklyn has the highest population of all the boroughs since he came to America. He cited the exact census data by heart. And they said not to rely on census data.) So, why are you making this into some mystery about Rav Moshe?”
Stop claiming that you are privy to information. It’s not clear what Rav Dovid intended with this statement that “there are over 2.5 million people living in Flatbush and its environs.” According to his father zt”l, the boundaries of a city aren’t measured as one unit but rather in blocks of twelve mil by twelve mil. Since Brooklyn encompasses an area of a little more than twelve mil by twelve mil, the entire population of Brooklyn would not be included in the calculation to evaluate if it’s a reshus harabbim. Furthermore, at the time of his statement the census figures indicate that the population of the entire Brooklyn is less than 2.5 million. In any case, In Chicago he wrote that the number is 3 million, and there is no doubt that this was his fathers final number.
“It is interesting to note that Rav Moshe starts off the Flatbush teshuva saying that even if Brooklyn does not have 600K and it is not a rshh”r it would still be assur. I’m wondering how you get around that. (If you say, others disagree that’s fine. If you say Rav Moshe didn’t mean it or say it, your a fraud.)”
Oh you finally looked inside. Great Idea. In fact this added gezeira of Rav Moshe that some would think that the population is greater that 3 million, is not an issue at all. In Chicago, which has a much smaller population than Brooklyn, he was not concerned with this gezeria, because they were encompassing only a small area (less than 600,000). The BP and Flatbush eruvin clearly do not included a population of 600,000 (although he was told that it did). Moreover, with mechitzos Rav Moshe would not have an issue whatsoever, since in any case Brooklyn would be classified as a reshus hyachid. .
“Then he goes on to why it’s a rshh”r because of platya.”
And then he agrees that a platya would be reckoned as part of the 12 mil by 12 mil, which actually does not contain a population of 3 million.
“Then he says the city map has close to 3 million living in Brooklyn, so it definitely is a rshh”r.”
Why are you leaving out the fact that with this argument it is demonstrable that he was mislead. A 12 mil by 12 mil area in Brooklyn does not have a population anywhere near 3 million.
“But thanks for finding one line in the teshuva that by itself doesn’t contradict anything you posted.”
As I wrote Rav Moshe’s final number is 3 million (in the earlier teshuvah which you cited his number was 4-5 times shishim ribo), and Brooklyn does not have such a population over 12 mil by 12 mil area.
“Maybe you are the type of yeshiva guy who spends the whole zman on one line and thinks he knows everything.”
No. You just never learnt any of his teshuvos, and are now playing catch up.