“And is possible that you aren’t actually aware of the off the derech problem in the yeshivish community?”
When did I ever deny this? Seemed like I was confirming the issue rather than denying it.
“I take issue with you calling them “off the derech” and it’s the same issue I have with Da labeling things as “chumros””
Call it whatever makes you feel warm and fuzzy. If someone significantly steps down from how they were raised, I think that’s going off the derech. I think if a super chassidishe person shaved and became the same level of frum that I am, that would be going off the derech for him relative to his upbringing. It has nothing to do with my approval of communities or lack thereof.
“By no means are these kids off the derech”
The way you described them earlier certainly sounded like it. You now seem to be backpedaling a bit on just how off these people are.