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Avram in MD
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DaMoshe,

“In the chareidi/yeshivish world, people are taught that learning in kollel is the only real option for life.”

With the MO you use a “no true Scotsman” argument to weed out the “left wing” others are referring to. With the Yeshivish, you use false stereotypes. The OP is clearly inflammatory. Why accept its premise and give inaccurate definitions for these groups?

“College is viewed as a horrible thing by most yeshivos. People are taught that using the internet is forbidden, unless absolutely necessary to earn a living.”

I think the primary philosophical differences relate to dress, Zionism (e.g., saying a mi-sheberach for the medina, hallel on Yom Haazmaut, placing religious significance on the medina, etc.) and these issues you mention. I am a BT and I spent years in a university environment. It is indeed a horrible environment for a frum person. I think you ignore the attempts that the yeshivsh community is making to mitigate this. Online classes, programs that offer filtered laptops, and programs that are condensed and focused (without the substantial liberal arts coursework required by most universities even for STEM majors) are becoming more common, and gradually more responsive to frum sensibilities.

As far as the Internet, do you not see unfiltered internet as a danger?

“But the yeshivish world believes in a cookie cutter system, where everyone must fit the same shape.”

This is hardly unique to the yeshivish world.

“Then we get to the chumros. Chumros for everything, a new chumrah comes out every week for something else.”

Can you name a new chumra that came out last week and was adopted en masse by the yeshivish community? Or in the last 6 months? And what chumros are you so strongly opposed to? So what if someone can’t eat your chalav stam dairy, or your gebrocts on Pesach, or who comes up as a “green bubble” on your iPhone because he’s got a flip phone with SMS only?