“I’m not defending ACA because that is not my proposal. A single payer system was proposed but quickly shot down.”
You’re going to have to defend the ACA if you’re insisting that the government can come up with a single player system that’ll work after they failed miserably on something of a much smaller scale.
“That hasn’t been my experience.
Most people I talk to who have had a medical expense (Cancer treatment denied, procedure denied both in the past week) do not think this is working. They are sane people, but whereas you “sympathize with them and wish something can be done” I know that something can be done”
There are exceptions- I agree, that’s why I used the word “probably”- to exclude people who, for extreme circumstances, would not be in that category. Please explain though why any sane person (not in an extreme situation) would want to pay more for a lower quality healthcare system?
“You remind me of the Onion article that runs after every mass shooting “”‘No Way to Prevent This’, Says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens””
The reason why we’re the only nation where this regularly happens is because we’re the only nation where it’s ingrained in people’s culture that life (their own or others) has little to no value. Change that culture and the number of mass shootings will go down.
“I can hear it:
“No way to fix this says only country where medical bills is leading cause of bankruptcy” !
And “we have the best healthcare system in the world says the country with highest healthcare expenditure and lowest life expectancy of (almost) any western country””
Sure there’s a way to fix this. Change the culture of people and teach them the value of life at a young age. Look at all the unhealthy lifestyles that people have- get them to make healthier choices from when they’re young and the healthcare expenditure will go down and the life expectancy will go up. Instead, we have people like you putting the blame in the wrong place. Once people start taking responsibility for themselves- then a single player system can be a viable option. Until then- it’s going to crash and we’re all going to be worse off.
At this point I’m getting pretty frustrated with this discussion. I respond to practically everything that you write (no matter how many times you repeat the same thing in different words) and you don’t respond to many of the strong points that I make. The points that you do respond to, you don’t bring up any claim to back it up.
I’m happy to continue this conversation if you can answer my questions straight to the point. If not, it was a pleasure discussing this with you but I’m done.
1. You mentioned that health insurance companies don’t need high paid CEOs to function. I brought you many examples of non-public companies run by low paid CEOs that failed miserably (the ACA COOPS). Can you show me (or explain how it’s possible) a health insurance company (public or private) that functions with a low paid CEO?
2. I opined that until people learn to take responsibility for themselves a single payer healthcare system will turn into a calamity the size of the public school system where those who want quality healthcare will have to pay for their own insurance above the extra taxes they are already paying to fund the single payer system. Can you please explain why you disagree with that?