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AviraDeArah
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AAQ, whichever reason the rambam had for not mentioning the shevuous, it’s plainly obvious that he held they are in force; I’ve heard a different reason from Rav Belsky, who said that the shvuous might not be a din, but they are a metzius – meaning if you do this, it will lead to redifos and yidden being hunted down like animals. Same way the rambam doesn’t bring the gemara about how the chachamim would learn and emulate yaakov avinu’s behavior with eisav before they met goyishe leaders – it’s a torah attitude and a reality, but it may not be a din. So even if they’re not a din, they reflect the ratzon Hashem as clearly stated in the gemara.

And in ’48, the british were not the baalei batim anymore; they basically threw their hands up – arab countries were being formed at that time.

But yes I agree that fighting in self defense AFTER the state had already been established is fine according to most. And even during the war of independence, if you were in danger, there is no chiyuv to let yourself be killed. and some of the fighting did affect the frum areas, too.

Baby, that caricature of a mizrachi worldview has been thoroughly demolished on here by myself and others – it’s just more declarations and statements without any torah sources to begin to back it up.

“be strong” “dont be weak”…..ok? The anti-side is built on mesorah. The zionists came and invented the “tough Jew” persona that you were fed as mother’s milk – before that, we were all Mah Yofis Jews, and we had a longer life span as a people.