Are guns allowed to be carried on shabbos?

They’re כלי שמלאכתו לאסור and you’re doing it לצורך גופו

Regarding an Eruv isn’t it worn on a belt?

If you aren’t in a time of active war, then presumably the gun is for security purposes. If you live in such a dangerous place that you need killing weapons to protect yourself, then on Shabbos you should hire a goy to stand outside your home and shul to protect you. There are almost no circumstances today in the US where carrying a gun should be allowed.

I do not know if we are allowed to mention other jewish websites (that start with a v and end with an n), but
Rav Hoffman published an article on friday on this question. He has more than one tshuva claiming its a kli shemelachto l’heter
The theory is, that the vast majority of the time the gun itself isn’t being used, it is simply acting as a deterrent
I am guessing (though this wasn’t discussed) that the ammo becomes no different than a battery in a watch

You’re wondering what a bunch of people that don’t know what they are saying are saying on a topic that a rov needs to answer as there is a million cases and details to each one. This coffee room discussion isn’t getting anywhere.

1. If in a situation where you might need the gun for defense, why is it even a shailoh?

2. Based on the mishna discussing someone who wanted to wear their dress uniform (parade armour and parade weapons – not the ones that are designed to be used in combat), it seems very clear that you can only carry weapons based on military necessity, not to show off. That suggests perhaps a humrah to conceal the weapon rather than to show off you have a gun. A terrorist in fact would first target anyone with a gun so there is no advantage to the armed person in displaying a firearm, and it is a shailoh if displaying a gun is in fact a way of impressing your neighbors, in which case the mishna’s objections to displaying weapons would come into play.

akuperma
there are tshuvos on this
specifically on the problem of a gun in shul violating the mishna
solutions given range from concealment to removing the bullets

mentsch1: Removing the bullets eliminates the heter to have the weapon on Shabbos as they would make it something you are displaying to “show off” and no more, and therefore banned (as per the mishna). Concealing seems much more relevant both as a security move and to avoid “showing off”.

@coffee addict what does wearing it on a belt have to do with anything? It is hotzaah no matter how you wear it. Without a proper eruv, it is 100% asur deoraisa. If it’s pikuach nefesh, people should daven at home

Great points all around, very interesting discussion. Sad the situation is so dire that we need to have such a conversation. However, it would be remiss if one doesn’t mention the grave concern of having a loaded gun in a Shul where there is a rampant amount of drinking. Alcohol and guns are a worrisome combo.

Kol Tuv,
Tuvia

maskildoresh,

“Ok. Nuff said”

More than enough. Better to be an am haaretz than to speak lashon hara about the Jewish people.