How smart are u?

1 – it’s a chumra of not drinking from a kos pagum.

1- did you mean into the becher? I never heard into a wine bottle
2- where does it says this I never heard of that …. Do you mean “ you heard ppl say it “?

Word your question properly my friend

This has nothing to do with being smart….
Smart means figuring things out – problem solving.
This is just if you happen to know something.
Who is the current PM of Pakistan? Does that make you smart?
It means you know global politics.
If someone knows the answer to these questions, it means they are knowledgeable in that subject; not smart necessarily.

We have a handful or more members here. (mods how many members are here?)

I was thinking if we could agree on a middah, lets all work on it for the next month? or 3 months? and than move onto a new middah.

We can give each other chizzuk, and motivation.

What do you think? and which middah should be the first one?

I’m surprised no one’s seen the minhag of pouring a drop of water from the becher into the bottle of kiddush wine – I’ve seen it by about half of the families I used to eat by when I was dorming and having my meals outside.

1) why do we pour water from becher into wine bottle before kiddush?

First let’s explain that one must rinse out a Kos before using it for Kiddush. The Gemora in Pesachim explains 10 things relevant to a Kos, some of which are meakev. Rinsing inside and out, shtifa and hadocha, are required. Usually some water is left in the Kos rather than emptying it all out after the Rinsing.

One reason was given, in case the wine in the bottle is pogum, since adding water to pogum wine allows us to use it for Kiddush. Pogum wine cannot be used for Kiddush.

A second reason is that, kabbolistically, the wine represents Din as it is usually red, and water represents rachamim. We want to be mamtik the din with chessed and rachamim so we add some water from the Kos to the wine.

Added bonus questions:

How many segulos for Parnossa or hatzlocha do we find in the Mishna Berura, which is a halocha sefer?

They fill the cup with water, then pour just a drop into the bottle?

This could be an old minhag as during gemora times wine was always diluted before drinking

Ome Polish chosid explained a similar minhag that we show that we are not drunkards like others

התשובה של היהודי מבוליטימור הכי חכמה

YO

Among other places
OC 473:1

As mentioned above when you add wine to the kos drunk from, from the bottle before pouring it back, there is no reason before kiddush to add water to the bottle because the bottle never becomes pogum.

YO

I’m not sure where you looked
OC 473 is leil Pesach the first cup ie Kiddush

The very first word is Mozgin
what does “mozgin” mean?

Before you say it means to pour. See Rambam Chametz umatza 7:9

Mozgin means “we dilute”

now you could say it is lav davka, our wine doesn’t need dilution it is already diluted etc etc
but it does talk about diluting the wine

Now you know!

nobody was drinking undiluted wine during Gemora time. Like you are not drinking juice concentrate nowadays.

My question is: Where is it brought down that one should specifically pour a drop of water from a Becher into a wine bottle?

here is my question to all those who are makpid on pouring water into the wine bottle
Are you careful to not pagum after kiddush?
bc you aren’t supposed to drink from the kos, then pour it into other peoples cups – thats pagum
In order to not pagum, you would need to pour off first, then drink (plus it’s more hygenic)

mentch, pouring into other peoples’ cups after drinking is not a shailoh because kiddush has been performed. You need the cos not to be pagum for it to be kosher for kiddush – the kiddush is done, and the people are drinking from a kol shel bracha after the fact. It is also not a chiyuv to drink from kiddush for those who are yotzei, but it is the minhag to do so and some say it might be a chiyuv at night, but me’ikar hadin it isn’t necessary.

re, drinking first then dispensing: chazal say that we’re not supposed to drink from a cup and then give it to someone else, as the machlah can be on the cup (chazal clearly understood about germs) but the exception to this is wine, because alcohol kills germs.

Nafka mina would be grape juice.

Avira
SA 182:4 Certainly extends pagum to those sitting at the table (though granted he brings it as a machlokes)

I’ll look it up later imyh

YO

“Where is this brought down?”

where is what brought down?

“How were you able to answer ubiquitin’s question before it was posted?”

😂😂😂😱😱😱

How were you able to answer ubiquitin’s question before it was posted?😊😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

And I was actually hoping for an answer…

@non sefardi troll

“Where is it brought down that one should pour a drop of water from a Becher into a wine bottle?”

I already answered the question earlier. You just ignore the people who don’t fargin.

“It may not say so in halacha, but it may be purely for convenience sake. We are washing out the becher before kiddush anyways, so we leave a little water behind and use that to be mozeg (dilute) the wine.”

@yabia omer, a Minhag to use multiple user names or a minhag to troll?

YO

Huh?
why don’t you read the replies

” …the minhag of pouring…” ”
“It’s a very common minhag.”
“I’ve seen many families who have this minhag …”
“This could be an old minhag…”