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Avram > . You spent much of this thread decrying learners taking benefits they are entitled to by law by erroneously calling it tzedaka in order to bring in your Rambam

If there is a stirah between AAQ and AAQ, go by the later one! He took into account your lomdishe comments and modified accordingly. I am here more to learn from other POVs and discuss ideas with people with different opinions. In R Yohanan’s derech, I’ll go mad from posters agreeing with me.

But I looked up above and I stated at minimum thta I am OK with in-laws and gevirim supporting learning and you stam responded that you don’t believe me.

Where your observation is correct – I do have problems with multiple steps in the justification of the current system, some more questionable than others: taking tzedoka in general when one does not have to, taking tzedoka for learning, taking non-Jewish funds (that I agreed not to call goyishe tzedoka according to R Henneman even if the source is bery brief and not very convincing), taking non-Jewish funds not designated for such purpose (that is, yeshivos taking transportation money v. putting learners on welfare). And I do not make any representation about how widespread each practice is, I am looking at what is kosher and what is yosher (2 separate questions really). Hope this clarifies, but not holding my breath.