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In support of Syag’s position: I found R Moshe Heinemann in 2017 video on Tzedakah explaining that we do not get _tzedokah_ from goyim because tzedokah has a special zhus and we do not want to give it to others and would rather have it ourselves. At the same time, government support is NOT tzedokah: (1) they do not do it as chesed, but rather to prevent poor people from misbehaving, such as stealing, (2) government is not a baal chesed, they are taxing rich people, so they are not providers.