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July 26, 2022 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm #2109250dovrosenbaumParticipant
Asking for someone:
Are there any Sephardi shuls in Brooklyn that don’t abide by the SY takkana against gerim?
July 26, 2022 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #2109255GadolhadorahParticipantI have been to several simchas at the Kol Eliyahu sephardic shul in Sheepshead Bay. Its a beautiful shul with a very welcoming tzibur that follows a Lebanese hashkafah. It seemed a bit more “modern” than the Syrian Sephardeshe shuls I’ve been to but others here in the CR may know better if they rigidly follow the Syrian takana on geyrim.
July 26, 2022 9:58 pm at 9:58 pm #2109257ujmParticipantThe SY shuls are just as happy as anyone else to have geirim. Their takana is only against members marrying a ger and against their rabbis conducting conversions. Nothing else. Geirim are more than welcome to join SY Shuls.
July 26, 2022 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #2109258ujmParticipantIn any event, there are countless non-Syrian Sephardic Shuls in Brooklyn.
July 27, 2022 1:04 am at 1:04 am #2109274dovrosenbaumParticipantYes, what are some of those places?
July 27, 2022 6:03 am at 6:03 am #2109313commonsaychelParticipantTry godavendotcom
July 27, 2022 9:28 am at 9:28 am #2109339Yabia OmerParticipantAhava veachva is Egyptian. Netivot is Moroccan. SLC is Lebanese. Etc
July 27, 2022 10:12 am at 10:12 am #2109360ujmParticipantI don’t want to share which one me and my three wives are due paying community members of, since GodolHaDofi will then start picketing outside every Shabbat that we are there.
July 27, 2022 10:16 am at 10:16 am #2109373lowerourtuition11210Participantone on Ave K and Bedford Ave.
One an e 7th st bet Kings highway and Ave R. next to the MirJuly 27, 2022 5:44 pm at 5:44 pm #2109533GadolhadorahParticipant“I don’t want to share which one me and my three wives are due paying community members of, since GodolHaDofi will then start picketing outside every Shabbat that we are there.”
Sad that he hasn’t even looked up to the ezras nashim and realized that Nos. 1 and 3 quietly walk across the street after the start of davening to the Ashkenazi Shtiebel
July 27, 2022 11:32 pm at 11:32 pm #2109606SfaradiGamurParticipantProbably not, unless you go to a Temanni or Persian shul. Egyptian and Moroccan Kehilot in Brooklyn also adopted this rule.
July 28, 2022 1:51 am at 1:51 am #2109641Avi KParticipantThere are many different Sephardi and Eidot haMirzrach (strictly speaking, a Sephardi is someone who is descended from Gerush Sepharad) communities. So far as I know, the takana only applies to the Syrian community (and not all Syrian rabbis supported it).
July 28, 2022 7:25 am at 7:25 am #2109644ujmParticipantAvi: All Syrian rabbonim fully support it.
July 28, 2022 3:51 pm at 3:51 pm #2109974Ng76b3cParticipantNo one is against geirim from outside communities
After all it a mitzva deoraita to love a ger
The takana was for people in those communitiesJuly 28, 2022 9:53 pm at 9:53 pm #2110105Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantSo, if a potential ger comes to Syrians, do they tell him: “go to Chabad, then come back and we will give you a shishi”?
July 28, 2022 11:31 pm at 11:31 pm #2110134dovrosenbaumParticipantActually they don’t count a ger for a minyan or give them an aliyah
July 29, 2022 9:37 am at 9:37 am #2110197commonsaychelParticipant@dov, now you have at least 15 option from various people
August 3, 2022 4:32 pm at 4:32 pm #2111811SfaradiGamurParticipantMaybe try Chaim Sha’al on ave N and east 12th. They’re mostly Israeli, with mixed Sephardic background, I highly doubt they care about the Ger rule. There is a Moroccan shul on N and 14th, called Yismach Moshe. They probably don’t either care about the Ger rule.
August 12, 2022 2:10 pm at 2:10 pm #21146121ParticipantAre there any Sephardi shuls in Brooklyn that don’t abide by the SY takkana against gerim?
It’s mainly aimed at people who convert for marriage which was a big issue when the takkanas came out. They aren’t against geirim in principle. Learn context. These other sephardic shuls in Brooklyn are newer and thus the issues of intermarriage aren’t the same now.
August 12, 2022 7:49 pm at 7:49 pm #2114766ujmParticipantThe SY geirim takana is only applicable in the SY community. NOT in any other Sephardic communities.
August 15, 2022 12:01 am at 12:01 am #2115122dovrosenbaumParticipantFrom what I understand, gerim are forbidden from shul membership, burial and kibudim such as an aliyah. Regardless of whether they want to marry a Syrian or not. It goes beyond marriage into an outright cherem on gerim. In Brooklyn, there are non Sy kehillos that adapted this takkana so they’d be accepted by the Syrian establishment.
August 15, 2022 7:51 am at 7:51 am #2115187ujmParticipantShul membership and burial is only available for SY community members. Any non-member isn’t qualified. It isn’t that geirim are banned but rather any non-member of the community.
August 15, 2022 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm #2115379dovrosenbaumParticipantA ger cannot become a member. So if a=b and b=c, a=c
August 15, 2022 7:54 pm at 7:54 pm #2115412ujmParticipantA Ashkenazi cannot become a member either. Nor can a Persian, Yekke, or Chosid become a member.
August 15, 2022 10:41 pm at 10:41 pm #2115469dovrosenbaumParticipantYet I’ve seen lots of SYs with the last name Greenberg. They’d give an Ashkenazi an aliyah but not a ger
August 15, 2022 11:52 pm at 11:52 pm #2115492ujmParticipantHave you met any SYs with the last names Teitelbaum, Katzenelenbogen or Deutsch?
They give aliyas to geirim who happen to come to their minyanim. They just don’t sell memberships to non-SYs.
August 16, 2022 10:44 am at 10:44 am #2115611dovrosenbaumParticipantDo you have evidence of the last point? I was told by a Syrian rabbi that he is not permitted to give someone he knows to be a ger an aliyah. On the other hand, I would imagine that if a caucasian ger who looks Jewish went to such a shul, they may offer him an aliyah
August 21, 2022 1:30 pm at 1:30 pm #21170331ParticipantI doubt geirim get Aaliyah’s in non-sy shuls
August 21, 2022 10:12 pm at 10:12 pm #2117132dovrosenbaumParticipantWhy wouldn’t they? An ignorant comment.
November 29, 2022 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm #2143452SQUARE_ROOTParticipantIn the average Ashkenazic synagogue,
the % of kohanim is around 1% to 3%.In the average Syrian synagogue,
the % of Kohanim is around 30% to 35%.Since the Torah prohibits Kohanim from marrying
converts [gerim], is it wise to permit converts in
a community where 30% of the men are Kohanim?Additionally, some poskim [whose names I unfortunately
cannot remember] have written that Kohanim who are
Syrian and/or Sephardic have a greater [or better]
mesorah of kehunah than Ashkenazic Kohanim,
which makes the prohibition against Kohanim
marrying converts even greater for Kohanim
who are Syrian and/or Sephardic.For example: When a Syrian Kohen performs a
Pidyon HaBen, he NEVER gives the money back,
because the Syrian Rabbis hold that there is
no doubt [safek] on the identity of their Kohanim.Compare this to Ashkenazic Kohanim, who return
the Pidyon HaBen money, because they fear
a doubt [safek] on their identity of their Kohanim.Is it wise to permit converts in a community
where 30% of men are Kohanim, who have
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