ubiq > The reason I brought up Heller, was just to show that the constitution argument is fluff.
Why talk hypothetical minutes? There are actual documents. I quoted Reb Scalia from Heller that it is not fluff. Others strongly disagree, but I saw them stating rather than proving their position. If you are so interested, just go through the documents he is citing and let us know what is there and what you think.
I agree with Curiosity summing up positions. Also, note US history, where you had people living in low density areas (there were 3 mln people in revolutionary US) with limited government
presence, especially on frontier where a lot of development was happening. Compare this with living in London or suburbs with grass being cut daily for last several hundred years.