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May 21, 2022 10:20 pm at 10:20 pm #2089254LoshenhoraParticipant
Can one call themselves a chasid
if he is fist fighting another Yid in
the streets of Jerusalem ?May 21, 2022 11:46 pm at 11:46 pm #2089285n0mesorahParticipantHe can call himself anything. The question is what the Torah thinks of him.
May 21, 2022 11:47 pm at 11:47 pm #2089289akupermaParticipantWhat are they fighting over?
A parking space?
or something pertaining to Torah and Mitsvos and the welfare of Klal YisraelMay 21, 2022 11:48 pm at 11:48 pm #2089291ujmParticipantCan one call himself frum if he says motzi shem ra or loshon hora?
May 22, 2022 12:13 am at 12:13 am #2089306☕️coffee addictParticipantWell the tzaddikim of shevet Yehuda fought benyamin after pilegesh b’givah
It depends why someone is fighting with someone else
אל תדין את חבירך עד שתגיע במקומו
May 22, 2022 12:14 am at 12:14 am #2089308GadolhadorahParticipantDepends on which chassidus he identifies with and what the fight was about. If a chassid of Rebbe A walks around with a sign outside Rebbe B’s beis medrash claiming that Rebbe B’s chassidim will never be allowed entry into olam habah, Rebbe B’s chassidim might feel justified in punching the guy with the sign. That doesn’t mean they can no longer claim to be “chassidim” (albeit chassidim sitting in jail awaiting trial on assault charges). Some may recall when the chassidim of a certain Rebbe A had frequent violent “encounters” with the chassidim of Rebbe Z, the brother of Rebbe A, both of whom claimed to be the rightful successor to their father, Rebbe M. I don’t recall either side ever being dismissed as misnagdim.
May 22, 2022 1:48 am at 1:48 am #2089312LoshenhoraParticipantSuppose you are correct
What does the Torah say
Me thinks it says only his death is
Mechaper for chilul HashemAs far as al todin
It also says
Hever DONMay 22, 2022 2:07 am at 2:07 am #2089314LoshenhoraParticipantWhen it’s all over the press
Like it is today
It’s called a shame and disgrace
Every argument has a right and a wrong for the first
Few minutes then both sides are wrongMay 22, 2022 8:46 am at 8:46 am #2089348LoshenhoraParticipantWe expect this behaviour from
Opposing football teams
And even they are expelled from the stadiums
If they are caughtMay 22, 2022 10:20 am at 10:20 am #2089384KuvultParticipantAs my history teacher put it (nicely), “The Rebbes never played well with each other.” If Rebbe A sees Rebbe B “stealing” his Chasidim, you better believe he’s going to react.
May 22, 2022 10:42 am at 10:42 am #2089396n0mesorahParticipantIt’s not just fighting. It’s chillul Shabbos as well.
May 22, 2022 5:58 pm at 5:58 pm #2089475CHOOSIDParticipantTHE CHOOSID IS FIGHTING AN ISRAELI BUT THE ISRAELI IS FIGHTING HASHEM!!!!!!!!!!!1
The Brisker Rav’s explanation for why Iyov was punished with physical torment for remaining silent when Pharaoh asked his advice on dealing with the Jews: Iyov the Rav explained could readily have justified his silence with the claim that a defense of the Jews would have fallen on deaf ears. Hence the parallelism of the punishment with its implicit message for Iyov: When one suffers from pain crying out helps not a whit to remove the source of the pain but one cries out nonetheless because “az s’tut vay shreit mehn” (when it hurts one screams). WHEN YIDDEN DO AVEIROS AND YOU DONT SCREAM THATS A CHILLUL HASHEM!!!!! -
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