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n0mesorah
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Dear Avram,

On your main objection…………… First of all, the six constant mitzvos require thinking, so to my chiddush it’s a separate discussion. This is not to negate the point. On the contrary, it is the most obvious query. Just that it is a lengthy topic in it’s own right. Even with out my little ideas, it requires it’s own exposition on they are properly attained. For now, let’s continue on the other 607 mitzvos only. Second of all, I put myself in a theological bind. In order to put my defining point into focus, I pushed it beyond any reasonable parameters. Of course any sane human has to be thinking something to be observant. However, that may speak more to our humanness, than to spirituality. After all, do malachim ‘think’ when they observe His will?

My main point is this. Every Born-Observant Jew, starts of practicing before they understand any Torah system. Some may be aware that such a system exists, but what the system consists of – (as a first axiom I’ll use…) Serving Him by doing His Will (but there are deeper understandings that could, and should be used) – is elusive. This application of Judaism is available to all. Some people never get that there is a specific purpose to Torah. And they have a mush where others have a sense of purpose. Yet they are not one bit doubted as Yidden. If they preach their lack of knowledge, the proper response is ‘you need to learn more’ or something similar. But if they change their practice because it is all mush anyways, then they begin to lose their bona fides. if this is true, then it follows that observance can be achieved without any real idea of the Godhead.

Some people just do not get the nuance of grasping the Divine. I contend that some people are not just uncomfortable talking about Hashem, they really do not understand what the whole conversation is about. There is a lot more I can say about this personality trait, but it would get even more of topic. On one point I give a full concession. To keep the mitzvos on even the basic level, one has to fully accept all the mitzvos. Now, the query of the six constant mitzvos becomes unavoidable.