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HaKatan
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No Mesorah:
That was a fairly long non-response posing as a response to my attempt to clarify to you why you should not have called me a liar.

Sovereignty over a territory is forbidden. The Zionists claim sovereignty over portions of Eretz Yisrael, and have fought multiple wars, still ongoing, to support that claim. All of this is, of course, a severe violation of the Torah’s laws.

The objective reality is not that “Judaism thrived before, during, and after Eastern Europe”, but rather that it took a big hit in the years leading up to the Holocaust. Nobody can stop you from believing in your own version of history, though.

Rav Miller, who was there pre-WW II, testified in his book about the dramatic abandonment of Torah for Zionism and other -isms.

Rav Elchonon Wasserman, who lived there, too, also wrote that the since the two idols (literally) that (some) Jews then worshiped were Nationalism and Socialism, therefore, Hashem responded with the ascendancy of the Nazi (Nationalist Socialist) party and its threats and dangers which, thanks to Zionism and other factors, turned into the Holocaust.

These (and others who said similarly) are gedolei Torah who were there on the ground. It is silly for anyone to decide close to a century later that they disagree with them, as you have indicated.

The talking points of the Zionists are that Judaism and the Jewish people need to change to become a gentile, godless and nation-state based Nationalist nation. By supporting the State of Israel and Zionism, it is you who are supporting those ideals.

Jewish blood was not “constantly spilled in unthinkable numbers and unimaginable ways.” That is Zionist propaganda. As I mentioned, there certainly have been many, many, many difficult times in the galus including many, many, many incidents of Jewish blood having been spilled CH”V. But that was not a “constant” occurrence. The Zionists want you to think it was so that you choose to worship their idol State.

Finally, the Torah is that with which we identify. Period. It has nothing to do with being “fashionable” or otherwise.