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I got like 2 dozen email black from 24 separate groups all claiming to be raising money for Jews in Ukraine, any idea of who is legit?
Rav Bleich shlita”a
I gave to the above fund, see https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/promotions/2065325/rabbi-bleich-dramatic-changes-in-the-last-24-hours.html
Quite frankly, I had no idea CHABAD was resettling the Ukraine and I still have no idea why. Before I give anyone any money I want to know what I’m gods name were you doing there.
Thanks ujm,
I didn’t donate before because of all the emails but once you wrote in Rabbi Bleich shlita I donated.Besalel
Is that always your approach to helping refugees “sure I’ll help but first I need to know what you do”
Only for fellow jews?Trying to understand
“Quite frankly, I had no idea CHABAD was resettling the Ukraine and I still have no idea why”
Chabad has shalichim all over Eastern Europe and had chabad centers in about 25 different cities in Ukraine prior to the Russian invasion. Over the weekend, a number of those centers that were under attack and/or in the direct line of Russian advances were able to withdraw to Poland or “safe” portions of Ukraine. In several cases, the YWN news pages reported on the efforts of the shiluchim to arrange for travel not only for their own families but for groups of talmidim as well.
Situations like this are ripe for exploitation. With numerous opportunities to “cash in” and claim to be raising funds for refugees, it is likely that we are in line to so victimized. While we are at the loss of our money, the truly needy aren’t getting what they need. It would be wise to scour the heimishe media, and to donate to those that are direct testimony of the atricities and destruction. YWN has several of these, and they should be taken seriously. The random emails that can flood our inboxes lack the credibility.
ubiq: for me a refugee is someone who was born and lived in a place which for some reason becomes uninhabitable. As far as I can see, these people left Crown Heights and Kfar Chabad to resettle a Jewish population in the Ukraine – one that did not exist from the time WWII ended and until these people got there. So its not exactly the same, in my view. They put themselves in harms way for no obvious reason and now need money for what? To get back to crown heights and kfar chabad?
Besalel
“for me a refugee is someone who was born and lived in a place which for some reason becomes uninhabitable. ”1) I see plenty of kids, they were born there
2) I’m not sure why being born the place you are is a requirement, my sibling was born in Brooklyn moved to Baltimore, if R”chl he is forced to flee he isn’t a refugee because he wasn’t born there?
3) Why was Ukraine “harms way” 5, 10 or w for that amtter even one year ago ? IS this a war you predicted when these people moved there?“and now need money for what?”
For living
Baesalel there were a lot jews who were there since the soviet union but aren’t frum. The shluchim there are bring them back to yiddishkeit. It’s not so simple for everyone to move to another country.
lakewhut: arent the native jews the same jews we complain about taking advantage of israel’s law of return? i may be completely wrong but that is the general sense i have always had. and which jews are being helped by the appeals we see? the natives or the transplants?
I spent a some time in Ukraine and the reason the Chabad shlichim are there is because there are tens of thousands of Jews that live there and have lived there their entire life but know nothing about Judaism and need help. The communists destroyed religion. The Shlichim have orphanages, old age homes, shuls, chevra kadisha and soup kitchens among other things. The reason they are there in the first place is to help other Jews physically and spiritually.
As to the reason why they have a bunch of different fundraisers and there is not one Chabad fundraiser, the way Chabad runs is each shliach fundraises independently which eliminates the bureaucracy and ensures that your money will reach the people in need without all the people taking cuts along the way.
Why have you never heard about all this? That’s because of some anti Chabad feelings by some in the charedi media which sensor to to some degree Chabad. As an example, the Hebrew yated just had an article about the Jewish communities in Ukraine and didn’t mention Chabad!
I think support Chabad (maybe Harav Bleich – I don’t know because I wasn’t in Kiev)edited
@besalel
No we don’t complain about any Jews coming to Israel. We complain about non Jews taking advantage and coming to Israel due to the law of return not going by the halachik definition of who is a Jew.Besalel,
I agree that we should confirm need before donating to Tzedaka, but I also agree with TLIK that there is a great need to donate to those that have trustworthy Gabbaim who have direct testimony of the atrocities and destruction. YWN has several of these, and they should be taken seriously.
Lehavdil Elef Havdaolos , here are the countries that are taking in Ukrainian refugees.
The numbers are astounding.
The UN said that more than 830,000 people had entered these countries from Ukraine.
1) Poland has so far taken in over 453,000 refugees, according to the UN. The Polish government says a further 50,000 are arriving every day. Poland is also preparing a medical train to transport wounded Ukrainians, and has drawn up a list of 1,230 hospitals to send them to.
2) Hungary had taken 116,348
3) Moldova 79,315
4) Slovakia 67,000
5) Romania 44,450
6) Russia 42,900
7) Belarus 341My grandmother knows R” Bleich, so I would presume that his is legit.
besalel, Ukraine had a lot of Jews even after WW2. Lots of Israeli and NYC “Russian” Jews are actually from Ukraine. Many of those from Eastern parts were more “Russian” oriented than Ukrainian, but recently it seems that even previously pro-Russian people in Ukraine turned against Russia. Presumably, that would include Jews.
Beslalel,
“Before I give anyone any money I want to know what I’m gods name were you doing there.”
They came because there are Jews there that didn’t have any connection to yiddishkeit (who now do BH). As simple as that.“They put themselves in harms way for no obvious reason and now need money for what? To get back to crown heights and kfar chabad?”
First if all, no they did not purposely put themselves in harm’s ways, they didn’t hear of a war brewing and then said amazing idea let’s move there. They were there for years already, way before any of this started. Many of them are even second generation, the children of Shluchim who now are there on shlichus.
And if you need to know what they need money for? No it’s not to move back to crown heights or Kfar Chabad (yes some of them are in the process of fleeing- but I doubt to those locations. Probably just to the eastern border and to help the Jews there)
The ones that aren’t need to the money for food, not sure how much ur aware but eastern Ukraine is pretty much blocked off by the Russians and there’s practically a black market for food, so the more money they have the more food they can get for the elderly.Almost all of these fundraisers are legitimate. Why there are a lot is because each one is focusing on different things.
If you support Chabad, it depends on which city, if they’re on the east you’re supporting cities that are being bombed and you’re helping the Shluchim literally get food for people in the city that can’t get themselves (like older people) and on the east its getting harder and more expensive to get food.
If you support Shluchim and cities on the west you are mostly supporting the thousands of refugees that are pouring into those cites, they also need food and where to sleep.
The city of Kharkov is also doing its own fundraiser- it’s the second largest city in Ukraine and right by the Russian border, they have tons of people they need to help.
If you support hatzalah you are supporting all their efforts…
And basically almost all of these campaigns are legitimate, just look at what each specific one is doing.
(I do have to mention that I only heard of one that’s fake- that’s there’s no orphanage In the city of Mariupol, so that one might not be good, heard that from a rabbi that’s in Ukraine)I gave to :
thechesedfund. com/kiev/kievemergencyfund?aff=1663
edited to break link
what does ‘edited to break link’ mean??
@Commomsaychel
Never said there was just Chabad, was just answering to the question of why they live there… and that remark was not made towards all those other big rabbis.
And as this thread was about fundraisers I mentioned some of the ones I personally knew about.
There is a big belz community, although I haven’t seen a fundraiser for them (if I missed it then pls send a link), so they didn’t really have to do with the answer.Rabbi Bald is also legit. The Stoliner Rebbe sent him years ago. I know them personally (we’re related) They live in Lviv which is I believe 8 hours from Kiev and much closer to the border.
I don’t understand the whole question. Since there are so many fundraisers there must be one that is run by someone you trust. Are you really planning to donate to 20 different funds? If you have the money and the heart to donate just pick one or two funds and give it there.
Don’t take it upon yourself to vet every fundraiser out there.
Why not give to 20 differnet fundraisers (as long as they are all legit) If you have $180 give each one $9 and if you can afford $18000 give each one 900
There are very reputable people raising absolutely necessary funds: Rabbi Weinberger is pretty ehrich; wouldn’t you agree? Rabbi Sherman is too, No? Rabbi Dishon? They’re raising funds. Are you questioning their authenticity? The Stolin organization has many shlichim there along with mosdos under the umbrella of Yad Yisroel. Chabad is there too. These are all absolutely worthy and are selfless. They are doing so much there.
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a quick question. Is Mariupol the same as Maryampol where the Gadol Hador Reb Elya Klatzkin was Rav before he came to EY?
please clarifymariampol is in lita/poland, mariupol is in eastern ukraine, I don’t think it is the same thing
Thank You Reb Eliezer for that tip, link.
I don’t recognize 1 oldie from 10 years ago in the coffee room….where’s coddle addict? Poppa bar abba? Wolfishmusings? Zeesa somebody? Oh and I am Yosef?
Poland 1,204,403
Hungary 191,348
Romania 143,000
Slovakia 140,745
Czech more than
100,000
Moldova 82,762
Germany 30,000
France 2,500
UK 300 and 17,700 visas exaninedThe above is a recent update of the Ukrainian refugees distribution.
So sorry Commonsaychel. So sorry for the inconvenience..
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