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February 23, 2022 2:38 am at 2:38 am #2063136LostsparkParticipant
Knowing what a brave, powerful, inspirational and dedicated commander in chief we have. He’s going to stand up to those bullies!
I hope Hunter Biden runs 2024! You can tell he’s cut from the same cloth!
February 23, 2022 8:58 am at 8:58 am #2063162Sam KleinParticipantI’m waiting to hear Biden speak up and put REAL pressure on those leaders to stop this war between Russia and Ukraine which can Chas Vshalom be the start of world war 3 if we klal yisroel don’t do our Hishtadlus and do our part and take Hashems serious wake up call for all of us together to wake up now before Purim for serious Teshuva and Achdus together like we all did in the story of Purim to be deserving of being saved. You think because we’re far away from the Ukraine we’re safe? Far from safe especially if we don’t immediately take Hashems serious wake up call for serious Teshuva and Achdus together ASAP
February 23, 2022 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #2063189ujmParticipantNote that Putin felt comfortable invading Ukraine under Obama in 2014 and now again under Biden in 2022. During the Trump Administration, Putin didn’t dare invade.
February 23, 2022 1:03 pm at 1:03 pm #2063191ujmParticipantAlso note that the US has a credibility problem in opposing recognizing a declaration of sovereignty by a unit of another country’s territory. The US recognized the declaration of independence of Serbia’s Kosovo province. So it looks insincere for it to now oppose Russia’s recognition of independence of parts of the Ukraine.
February 23, 2022 1:05 pm at 1:05 pm #2063222jackkParticipantPutin knows he has the republicans on his side.
He can do anything he wants and they will blame it on Biden.
He can invade another country, kill tens of thousands of people, cause millions of innocent civilians into poverty and into becoming refugees, – and republicans will not say a word about how big a RASHA MERUSHA he is and that he is the cause of all this.
Republicans are not on America’s side.February 23, 2022 1:06 pm at 1:06 pm #2063242Rafi cohenParticipantITs really shameful that only think people speak is Biden or Trump. Thats not on table.
The main mistakes were made in the past.
How is it possible that the last US administration get complete bribed by the Russians.
Trump was like a dog to Putin… he probably could not differentiate betwin a Superbowl Halftime show and serious meeting with a dictator. Eating popcorn with Putin, wow even I could do better!! You can not imagen how it is to live in Russia…
Then there is a German former premier minister works now for Gazprom?!
How this possible that the most powerful countries making such mistakes??
Now, we all have to pay the price of their stupidity.
How could the most powerful country in Europe and the most powerful country have been so naive blind….I hope the US and Germany take at least 90% of the expected 8 Million refugees from Ucrania……
The situation is too serious to speak about Trump and Biden! If all America behaves like people in the forum we have the Russians very fast in Germany and than its also over for the US……
February 23, 2022 1:12 pm at 1:12 pm #2063269smerelParticipantI don’t feel bad for Putin but I do agree with him that the US and other Western groups have plenty of blame for the current conflict. Putin didn’t just wake up one fine day and start moving troops towards the Ukrainian border. It was a response to NATO troops moving closer to his borders and talk of Ukraine joining NATO etc.
He is 100% correct for saying that if Warsaw Pact was still around and there was talk of Mexico joining the Warsaw Pact along with Warsaw Pact troops moving into Mexico the US would not just ignore it. (Nor should they)
February 23, 2022 1:27 pm at 1:27 pm #2063293erParticipantMeanwhile Trump declared today that Putin is “genius” and “wonderful” for declaring that 2 parts of Ukraine are not Ukraine anymore and then moving the Russian army in. So you see Trump has always been pro-Russia, and in fact was the first politician to suggest we recognize Putin’s take-over of Crimea as part of Russia. Trump always gave Putin his approval and admiration for his bully tactics.
February 23, 2022 1:42 pm at 1:42 pm #2063318bigchoosidParticipantB”H we have Biden as president.
People here don’t realize that no one knows where this will end. We live in our daled amos and don’t care too much about things going on in far away places.
But it is possible for this conflict to extend beyond Ukraine. It might spill over to the neighboring Baltic States who are NATO members or Poland. With Putin we can never be sure. The best chance to deter Putin is through a unified NATO and EU. But with Trump in office NATO was beginning to unravel. The trans- Atlantic alliance was beginning to strain, and it is highly doubtful that Trump would be able to rally the world like Biden has. With Trump in office Putin for sure would not stop with Ukraine his next victims would be Estonia Latvia and Lithuania, triggering a terrible land war in Europe the likes of which we have not seen since WW2. That would be a tragic outcome and would cost many many lives Hashem Yishmor.
With Biden there is at least a chance to stop Putin’s aggression. Especially when he feels the full force of sanctions. Trump says he had a great relationship with Putin but he also said that about Kim Jung Un and we all know what that got him- zero!February 23, 2022 1:43 pm at 1:43 pm #2063320ujmParticipantCrimea has historically been part of Russia for hundreds of years. It was *never* part of Ukraine until Soviet Dictator Nikita Khrushchev, who is Ukrainian, unilaterally transferred it from Russia to the Ukraine in 1954. It was, at the time, merely a paperwork transfer with little effect since both were part of the Soviet dictatorship.
And Russia is absolutely correct that Ukraine was never in history an independent country, other than for a few weeks during a self-declaration by certain war lords during the Russian Revolution in 1917. Never before or since until the Soviet disintegration.
February 23, 2022 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #2063409GadolhadorahParticipantThe vast majority of Ukrainian citizens (outside of the two eastern “breakaway” areas) have zero interest in becoming part of Russia or even becoming part of a Russian “sphere of influence”. They and their economy have thrived, notwithstanding long-standing corruption, while allied with the West. Not clear this really matters to someone like Putin.
February 23, 2022 4:45 pm at 4:45 pm #2063376☕️coffee addictParticipant🥱🥱🥱😴😴
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February 23, 2022 4:47 pm at 4:47 pm #2063380erParticipantujm brings a good point about Crimea. But the larger issue is Trump readily went along with Putin there. Just because some Texans argue Texas never became part of the US, you can’t just shrug it off if another country took it over. Taking over territories, especially in Europe, is some dangerous business. Note: Israel was also acknowledged as a sovereign nation too. End of story. We don’t care anymore who used to control it in the past. The world recognized Ukraine, and Ukraine wans to join NATO one day to protect its recognized sovereignty due to Russia’s aggression. I sympathize. Granted NATO might hesitate admitting them since they would then have to attack Russia if they go after Ukraine, but again, being wimpy is worse.
Smerel: Why blame NATO? Part of the purpose of NATO is to deter aggressors from invading sovereign countries. Just because we know Russia wants to take over eastern Europe again you say NATO has to stay far away? Sounds wimpy. Putin has nothing to worry about so far as he respects these eastern countries as sovereign nations, which he does not.
February 23, 2022 5:43 pm at 5:43 pm #2063432ujmParticipantIf Russia needs to return Crimea to Ukraine, Kosovo needs to be returned to Serbia and Eastern Jerusalem and Emmanuel, Israel needs to be returned to the Arabs.
February 23, 2022 6:15 pm at 6:15 pm #2063441HealthParticipantUJM -“If Russia needs to return Crimea to Ukraine, Kosovo needs to be returned to Serbia”
This is correct.
But I don’t consider the Zionist Regime a representative of the Jewish people. But if Moshiach comes or even before that if there is a Frum Government, all of the West Bank & East Yerushalim are
part of EY. Anything else is pure Falsehoods!February 23, 2022 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #2063455smerelParticipant>>>Smerel: Why blame NATO? Part of the purpose of NATO is to deter aggressors from invading sovereign countries
Not really. Officially the UN peacekeepers do that and even they don’t really do so.
NATO was formed to protect anti Russian countries. From the Russian perspective when they are moving their troop closer and closer to the Russian they are the aggressors. There was no conflict that precipitated those moves. Putin is correct to see it as a move against him and to respond.
As above how would the US react to military “peacekeepers” from hostile counties being moved closer and closer to the US border?
February 23, 2022 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #2063456Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipant> Crimea has historically been part of Russia for hundreds of years
kill parents and ask for forgiveness as an orphan?! Crimea was populated by Tatars, was first conquired by Russian empire, and then Stalin deported them en masse, Sanheriv style, with a large part dying on the way. After that, it became mostly Russian.
I was always wondering how during cold war we had people focusing on minor US faults and what is Nixon’s fault, and fighting nuclear weapons and energy, rather than confronting the evil empire, and now I see that the same thing happens again. At least Covid is new and invisible, so you can understand ignorami, but this is a 300 year virus with known side effects (to borrow a phrase from Ukrainian ambassador) – and posters seem prefer entertainment at the expense of human lives.
February 23, 2022 8:30 pm at 8:30 pm #2063461ujmParticipantNATO expansion since the 1990s and on was an error. There was no serious benefit to the US to expand the US guarantee of protecting additional countries. All it did was antagonize Russia.
February 23, 2022 8:31 pm at 8:31 pm #2063468bigchoosidParticipantPutins rewrite of history is all factually wrong. Here is part of an article in Time:
” Ukrainians have been quick to point out that Kyiv was founded hundreds of years earlier than Moscow, and that Ukraine has its own distinct language and customs.“Part of the reason that Ukraine has never had stable statehood is because of Russia,” says David Patrikarakos, an author of two books about foreign affairs and non-resident fellow at the University of St. Andrews in Scotland.
He says that Putin deliberately ignored the long history of Ukrainian nationalism, including the country’s war of independence against the Soviets that began in 1917, and its resistance to Soviet rule after World War II. “There has been a strong impulse of Ukrainian nationalism for at least the last century, and [of] the Russians just slapping them down militarily,” Patrikarakos says. “And that’s continuing today.”
Every people has the fundamental right of self determination.
The people of Ukraine are not ethnic Russians they are ethnic Ukranians and they have a right to their land. They are a sovereign country recognized by the world and ancient history is irrelevant.February 23, 2022 9:21 pm at 9:21 pm #2063501Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAnother weird point from Putin: he says that Kiyv is the historical capital of Russia, therefore Ukraine should belong to Russia! Another example of hutzpah: what he means is that Kiyev is not in Russia because Moscow had only remote connection to Kievan Rus.
February 23, 2022 9:22 pm at 9:22 pm #2063504ujmParticipantThe idea of an “ethnic Ukrainian” is relatively very new.
February 23, 2022 9:23 pm at 9:23 pm #2063506🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant“Putin knows he has the republicans on his side.
He can do anything he wants and they will blame it on Biden.
He can invade another country, kill tens of thousands of people, cause millions of innocent civilians into poverty and into becoming refugees, – and republicans will not say a word about how big a RASHA MERUSHA he is and that he is the cause of all this.
Republicans are not on America’s side.”Jackk – this was exactly what was said on some progressive news show this am. Really? You’ve started parroting progressive radio? How beneath you.
February 24, 2022 4:46 am at 4:46 am #2063529jackkParticipantSyag,
Is everything I post about me?
Do you always completely ignore content to attack the writer?This is beneath you.
I will not spend another post discussion about myself.
I don’t even listen to radio.
February 24, 2022 1:59 pm at 1:59 pm #2063585GadolhadorahParticipantRepublican Committee and campaign advisors have urged members of Congress to stay “silent for now” on how to respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine until Trump decides how he will come down on the issue between his admiration for Putin and wanting to boast that nothing happened on his watch. Those who previously called for a strong response and sanctions are suddenly silent waiting for the Trumpkopf to set the party line. Going into the primary season,no Republican politician would dare contradict him even if he ends up supporting Putin.
February 24, 2022 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #2063587Rafi cohenParticipantThere is now reports of air raid in Bucharest, Romania (NATO ally) and Chisinau, Moldova…. Russian forces already very close to Romania
February 24, 2022 2:00 pm at 2:00 pm #2063651EJMRBroParticipant*microwave beeps* “Yossi come quick with that popcorn! The latest episode of Ukraine is on!”
February 24, 2022 2:15 pm at 2:15 pm #2063685🍫Syag LchochmaParticipant“Is everything I post about me?”
I don’t know, is it? I hadnt thought so
“Do you always completely ignore content to attack the writer?
This is beneath you.”
Yes, 90% of the time I do, although attack is not my intention. If someone yells or berates people for doing something (ie parroting talking points) then I will probably jump in when they decide to do the same thing themselves. I also do it when I think people are being hurtful, putting down people for personal things, insulting Torah institutions or Authentically Jewish institutions/products/lifestyles. Mostly tho it’s when they are hypocritically degrading/yelling/tantruming at people for something and then turn around and do it themselves. The content usually does not interest me as much as the interpersonal interactions and overall fidelity does.
“I will not spend another post discussion about myself.
I don’t even listen to radio.”
great. and I don’t think i wanted to talk about you at all. I just saw you as someone who liked to have a higher quality conversation as opposed to rhetoric so I stupidly asked for your clarification of a point. Not the first time I’ve been wrong, and won’t be the last.
February 24, 2022 2:45 pm at 2:45 pm #2063704erParticipantsmerel: 2 issues with your logic:
“Officially the UN peacekeepers do that and even they don’t really do so.”
So if UN is not doing a good job, all the more need for a NATO.“From the Russian perspective when they are moving their troop closer and closer to the Russian they are the aggressors.”
Even without Ukraine’s desire to join NATO, Russia has an interest in invading the neighboring countries. That was made clear. And if they are to expand their boundaries, they are bringing themselves closer to NATO countries. Russia will then create new hostilities. If Russia gave up the aggressive behavior there would be less need for NATO. Not the other way around. Russia is using NATO as an excuse. In “negotiations,” US had agreed to scale back defense in Eastern Europe, etc., and Russia didn’t respond. This is not about security, Ukraine is not about to attack Russia or its interests. They want to fit in with the rest of Europe economically, who unlike Russia, respects each others sovereignty.February 24, 2022 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm #2063713crazy horseParticipantFirst of all smerel what are you smoking?
also i notice godalahhadorah takes this opportunity to attack trump and republicans.
Biden is president now first afghanistan now ukraine, and crimea happened under Obama.
democrats are clueless about what to do, they only know how to blame republicans for all problems.February 24, 2022 5:36 pm at 5:36 pm #2063752GadolhadorahParticipantCrazy Horse: Yup….It would be funny, if not tragic, to watch principled Republicans who have been demanding the strongest possible sanctions against Putin suddenly doing a 180 degree shift once they heard Trump calling Putin a good friend, a “genius”, etc. and praising the invasion as a “brilliant strategic move”. A bunch of obsequious, gutless hacks.
February 24, 2022 9:59 pm at 9:59 pm #2063884LostsparkParticipantGadol because the left is the the epitome of valiance, fortitude, morality, integrity and strength! 😂
I really don’t understand how you really believe what you say, at this point I wonder if this is top tier trolling.
February 24, 2022 11:34 pm at 11:34 pm #2063935Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantStay, I am also amused when posters here repeat a complicated round about argument from TV, whether it is left or right… It well maybe that the person is not watching it himself but gets it from friends or social media.
February 26, 2022 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm #2064315crazy horseParticipantActually not, you clearly don’t watch fox news. almost all republicans are very anti putin.
I’ll admit there are a few mentally ill republicans like tucker carlson and candace owens.
read Ben adlers article on Yahoo news who goes through it in depth.February 26, 2022 9:51 pm at 9:51 pm #2064325Always_Ask_QuestionsParticipantAnyone remembers how Trump called on Europeans to pay more for NATO? This was considered rude, but they started paying more. That would include javelins they are finally ready to send to Ukraine (on trucks, after air path is closed).
February 26, 2022 10:59 pm at 10:59 pm #2064348charliehallParticipantujm is an anti-Zionist who thinks that Israel is an Apartheid state, and Health seems to be cut from the same cloth.
No wonder they are supporting Putin.
February 26, 2022 11:12 pm at 11:12 pm #2064356charliehallParticipant“they started paying more.”
Most did. (Turkey is an exception.) But the US didn’t benefit, as Trump still insisted on massive needless increases in US defense spending.
February 26, 2022 11:14 pm at 11:14 pm #2064350charliehallParticipant“almost all republicans are very anti putin.”
No, the only one who is clearly anti-Putin is Mitt Romney. Nobody else voted to remove Trump from office for trying to end US security aid to Ukraine. All others bowed down and worshiped Trump’s totally pro-Russia policies. Now that they are embarrassed about that they are trying desperately to walk back their horrible error. Romney would have to become a Democrat in any state other than Utah. Trump’s Cult is going to do their best to end Romney’s political career and only his long support of his LDS Church may save him.
February 27, 2022 6:04 pm at 6:04 pm #2064588hujuParticipantI am a registered Democrat and unregistered liberal, and the Hunter Biden business smells awful to me. But Trump and the GOP-led Justice Dept. had 4 years to investigate him, and they failed to do so, or did investigate and found nothing. Same thing with Hillary, whom I dislike as much as anybody else dislikes her.
As for Joe Biden’s handling of Ukraine, it’s too soon to say, and it is a hard matter to handle. Do you have family in the US Armed Forces? I do, which does not make me any smarter than anybody else, but I am glad our president understands what it means to lose a family member in combat. It’s worse than bone spurs, though I do not have those either.
February 27, 2022 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm #2064605crazy horseParticipantA couple of points for Gedolahhadorah and charliehall.
1. Trump tried to get volodymyr zelenskyy to investigate Joe Biden to help him in the election, and he got impeached for that.
2.Trump got other countries that are part of nato, to pay money they owed, as part of America First policy.
3. Trump likes Putin because he tried to help him get elected and trump likes anyone who helps him.
4. The republican party including congress, senate and most of the Trump administration was very tough on Russia, and put sanctions on them.
In no way is the war between Russia and Ukraine have anything to do with Hunter Biden and the Trump impeachment, or the republican party, to say that, you’re just a left wing Candace Owens.
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