Chug Chasam Sofer Petach Tikva

There are two very different hechsheirim in Eretz Yisroel that use the name Chasam Sofer.

hello99: WB. It’s been a very long time…

Triangle-K isn’t accepted in regular frum homes.

Would all of this qualify as lashon hara of relatively high degree (as it damages someone’s business). If you have specific reasons and have proofs for them, state them: this heksher is allowing halav stam, or does not chdeck knives, or uses yain nesach …

AAQ: Is it not okay to tell people that “Hechsher X” I do not consider reliable?

Chassam Sofer Petach Tikvah is not something we rely on generally. Yes I know katzefet is that hescher and sometimes we’re lenient about that and products. But a general resteraunt with it we won’t go to.

People don’t eat Beit Yosef due to it being a sefardi hescher and the ashkeanizim discriminate against sefardim a lot and there’s a lot of politics. Most people I know eat bet Yosef, for pareve and milk due to differing minhagim for meat. We were told it’s fine for meat and chicken as well.

ujm: thanks for the welcome. my life has been too busy for coffee. I know, and that’s my point
yeshivish: i don’t have information on specific brands, and i try to be discrete about what i say about specific hashgachos, especially publicly. let’s just say your diyuk is accurate.
always ask: i’ve had personal experience with a former head of this hashgacha, and i was very disappointed with his integrity. and then he left because they weren’t up to his standards. so, it’s first hand information for a to’eles, not lashon ha’ra.

ujm > Is it not okay to tell people that “Hechsher X” I do not consider reliable?

good question. Same goes for shidduch and job applicants. I am thinking that if the listener respects your integrity and you actually have it, then it might be enough to say “don’t deal with X”, no need to share details. On the other hand, when you are advising someone who can’t rely on your personal integrity, you would need to help him with facts that can help him make a judgment. I think, we are mostly in the second reality in an online group. When someone here says that something “aint frum”, I can generally guess whether it means selling treif or not following the latest humrah, or has kippah srugah on premises, based on the poster, but more specificity would be helpful.

hello99 is a little more specific and eems to know something, but I don’t know you enough to judge. What is lack of integrity – koshering questionable treif to save money, dealing with evil zionists, relying on phone calls instead of visiting – my mind creates more scenarios than I like. I could even decide that if a low-integrity director left, maybe the place was better than the director?

“Explain yourself”, to quote the Caterpillar.

There’s also issues with bishul akum here too – as well as ingredients, Jews milking cows on shabbos, and using the milk in production.

With restaurants there’s a huge issue of supervision. As AvireDeArah said, terumah, maaser, smittah – even with a good hashgocha if there’s not supervision somewhere what happens when they run out of cucumbers? Any joe shmoe who isn’t frum will go to any store to pick up more.

A woman in the north died this past year after eating milchig ice cream in a meat rabbanut restaurant.

Mod-29 – every single participant in this thread is using a handle that is clearly not a real name – making them anonymous. I do concede, though, that not everyone here is a troll – though there are definitely some here who are regularly trollish in other threads (hello, Joseph/ujm/whatever handle you’re using today!).

Reb Eliezer, if Hechsher X was actually around, would your statement be Loshon Hora or would it be proper for you to say that l’toeles?

RebE, “not recommended” works if the other party trusts you and you have very similar minhagim and attitudes; or at least you know well where the other party stands, and the pther parties knows that you know.

Avi: Would you eat Triangle-K meat (i.e. Hebrew National)? Triangle-K dairy?

If not, what are they doing wrong?

ujm, this is a good example. In addition to some specific leniencies and non-glatt, there seems to be other issues involved: HN reputation from before Tri-K, overall reputation for leniencies, sometimes lack of transparency, and, OMG, seemingly lack of cooperation and piety towards other authorities… I can not determine exact weights of each part of this semi-kosher mixture, but it seems that all are present to some degree.

Syag, follow the grammar: and, OMG, xxxxx

OMG is for the latter part, not for the previous ones. I am saying that I see a mix of issues here, some sound concerning (before OMG) and others sounds suspicious (after). I see reasonably reputable sources listing specific halachik issues that should stop some people, and then I see a sea of innuendo that is hard to evaluate. For example, I understand that TriK took over HNs. HNs were totally unreliable before, and he seemingly made it more so. Seems like a good thing in general and yashar koach on taking on such a risky (reputationally and halachically) venture (unless you hold that eating unhealthy food is not a mitzva :), but would reputation of HN add to the doubters who prefer play it safe? I don’t know enough of kashrus business to understand all of this. Maybe someone from a meatpacking city can enlighten me 🙂

Wow, a cameo appearance by hello99! So nice to see you!

ujm, looks like 2004, not yet “decades” yet