Avira, maybe we go in different circles and this is fine. I don’t see much difference in learning between MO and more traditional Rabbis I was ever learning, despite differences in views. As an experiment, I several times re-packaged a serious thought from a MO Rav to an anti-MO one with appropriate word change, the latter was very much on board with the concepts. I did not test quoting by name. So, to me, when you disparage “MO” attitudes you do it at your own risk of disparaging multiple Talmidei Chachamim. Maybe we just need a better term for the attitudes you dislike.
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