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Meir Gilboa, 6 Cheshvan, 12/10/2021. BeChadrei Charedim:
Sharp attack on Bennett: “Two options: apologize or resign”
Prime Minister Bennett’s remarks that the political power of the ultra-Orthodox should be weakened caused a political uproar. The ultra-Orthodox Knesset members go on the offensive MK Eichler: “Levant has two options: to apologize or resign” | MK Malkieli, chairman of the Shas faction: “The cheeky and arrogant Naftali is amazing every time again”His comments are beyond stupid
Together the chareidim get 17 seats and hardly a ruling class (yet again a 7 seat party (if you want to call it that) becomes the ruling class)
You do realize that to be dati and anti-Chareidi isn’t a stirah.
You do realize that edited?
No, but you do realize that using this screen name makes a mockery of Chacham Ovadiah zt’l right?
I understand that there are 2 issues: influence on the country and economic matters.
On the first, I hope all flavors of religious Jews can come to a common platform. Maybe this requires some accommodation by increasing number of non-Haredim in positions of religious power. This will make the religious coalition stronger, not weaker, by bringing everyone, within halacha, into one bloc.
On the second, it is unsustainable to require unwilling Israeli public to continue paying tzedokah and not complain. When Begin proposed to pay fully for Charedi schools, Rav Schach instructed Charedi politicians not to accept anything beyond the previous partial arrangement. His argument was: at some point, a different government will not be willing to pay, and you will dismantle your own support system already. Not sure why R Schach’s position is rejected now, unless I am not aware that he changed it later on.
Aaq,
“ When Begin proposed to pay fully for Charedi schools, Rav Schach instructed Charedi politicians not to accept anything beyond the previous partial arrangement. His argument was: at some point, a different government will not be willing to pay, and you will dismantle your own support system already.”
I thought the reason was because then the government will tie kfirah into giving the money (if you don’t allow lgbt then no money for you)
Not sure why R Schach’s position is rejected now, unless I am not aware that he changed it later on.
Yeshivos are still not fully government funded
One can be dati, shomer shabbos, kashrus, taharas hamishpacha and even a gadol btorah and not be chareidi. There are many giants of Torah among the torani leumi crowd. Being dati has nothing to do with politics.
Being chareidi doesn’t mean being ultra religious or closer to hashem. It means subscribing to a specific perspective and community.
And as members of a family, there can be disagreements on what is ideal. That doesn’t undermine anyone’s religiosity.
Well said jdb.
Also there’s crazy censorship in YWN.
“Also there’s crazy censorship in YWN?
Its called “MODERATION”. Thats why the MODS earn the big bucks.
On a serious note, I’m surprised at times the degree of tolerance exhibited for quite extreme statements (at both ends of the spectrum) which make a useful point but might have been framed more eloquently.Same here! Seriously though it is hard to keep everything out and still allow room for disagreement. Sometimes things get through that shouldn’t, and sometimes we hope a responsible response will be even more effective than an edit.
coffee > I thought the reason was because then the government will tie kfirah into giving the money
In this particular case, R Schach gave both the answer and the reason above. I presume politicians would not “buy” an answer even from a gadol when a large monetary loss is involved 🙂
The conditional money case is interesting and might have happened at other times. Might happen again with the current government. I think Liberman wants to introduce math and other kfiros into Charedi system. Not sure whether this currently stands.
DY > Yeshivos are still not fully government funded
is there a percentage? This may be hard to get to the one number, given various subsidies – directly to students, daycare subsidies, subsidies per child, etc. Using R Schach’s reasoning – if subsidies are 80% or higher, you probably won’t be able to restore the funding without the government.
It may be instructive to compute subsidy per person over time and overlay as a percentage of budget. If you then project population growth, ken yirbu, you can estimate a breaking point when this system becomes unsustainable. I don’t understand the data enough to compute this.
Replaced Ultra-Orthodox with Jews and replace Bennett with Abbas, and he’d be widely accused of antisemitism.
Bennett rightfully and correctly deserves the same (accurate) accusation, his microscopic kippa notwithstanding.
“I think Liberman wants to introduce math and other kfiros into Charedi system.“
Math isn’t kfirah
CA, AAQ’s sarcastic mocking of Chareidim, by implying they believe mathematics is kfira.
Mocking chareidim is a favorite hobby of his. Pretending it’s not is his next favorite.
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